***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

So...**** them?

No.

And all the people who die daily from all the other diseases?

You care about that? You going to stop driving because people die everyday in car accidents? Of course not.

Life IS a risk, and has risks. You can be proactive, but you can't stop that.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Mecca

That attitude isn't just him alone either.

please don't speak for me.

[Monticore]

After 24 years of working in a Hospital I have become desensitized somewhat to death etc, diagnosing friends and family with cancers and so on, so if this virus only killed 90+ year olds my opinion might change but it is also doing a number on 60+ which is a little harder to wrap my brain around. My dad at 73 would be considered high risk and to take him away from my kids right now after their grandma passed away at 62 from Ca would kill them, would I get over it sure , seeing my kids in pain would suck ass though.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Anyone want to tackle this? CDC changed the number of Covid deaths to 37K?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Sure:

*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death.

Then:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ses-in-us.html

Last updated on May 3, 2020

Total Cases 1,122,486 29,671 New Cases*

Total Deaths 65,735

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by DaFace

We'd all be better off if we just implemented policies based on eugenics, really.

oh, you think that day isn't coming?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by notorious

.

I don't understand why some people attempt to compare COVID-19 deaths to deaths from car wrecks and non-contagious diseases.

It makes no sense at all.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Donger

I don't understand why some people attempt to compare COVID-19 deaths to deaths from car wrecks and non-contagious diseases.

It makes no sense at all.

Damnit Donger, I deleted my post to avoid drama. Thanks a lot!

[FloridaMan88]

Miami Dolphins' CEO discussing plans for fans to be in the stands at their home games this fall...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ic/3077074001/

"We would have times to come in for security at different gates so people would be separated out, in terms of when they enter the stadium," Dolphins CEO/president Tom Garfinkel said Monday in an interview on "Good Morning America," per ESPN. "We would exit the stadium much like a church environment, where each row exits so people aren't filing out all at the same time in a herd."

The mock-up plan mirrors carry-out food line protocol established by restaurants. The Dolphins would include colored spots on the ground to mark where people stand before entering Hard Rock Stadium, allowing fans to stay six feet apart. The Dolphins could be down to 15,000 fans in the 65,000-seat stadium.

Hard Rock Stadium became the first public facility to earn the Global Biorisk Advisory Council's STAR accreditation, which is the standard used for facilities to implement cleaning, disinfecting and infectious disease prevention work practices to control coronavirus risks.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by notorious

Damnit Donger, I deleted my post to avoid drama. Thanks a lot!

I have exercised the demons...

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

The problem is that this thing is at its deadliest not due to slow, gradual spread, but when sudden outbreaks occur in specific situations (e.g., nursing homes). So as one example of what you're talking about, they had to close a Walmart in Aurora, CO after three people died.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...ected-to-store

Is that common? I'm not sure. But it is happening here and there.

Six more people, possibly nine, are thought to have gotten infected at the store. I mean, that’s basically nothing for a Wal-Mart with the amount of people it sees and certainly isn’t showing some huge problem. I’m certain there are way more attached to that store. I would guess at minimum 70% of of open grocery stores and Wal-Mart type stores have cases connected to them, it’s just we probably don’t know about them.

Remember that the New York antibody tests were done in grocery stores and other big box stores so clearly there are infected people all over those places. These places aren’t like nursing homes, prisons, meat plants, etc in their level of risk. The question is why. Is it demographics of customers? Of workers? Space in the store? Mitigation efforts? Probably all of the above.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by stevieray

oh, you think that day isn't coming?

I have a lot of trouble believing that people are going to be fans of one of Nazi Germany's favorite policies any time soon.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by notorious

Damnit Donger, I deleted my post to avoid drama. Thanks a lot!

You are obviously more dead if you die from Covid than other things.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Donger

I don't understand why some people attempt to compare COVID-19 deaths to deaths from car wrecks and non-contagious diseases.

It makes no sense at all.

I have no idea why, either.

Maybe it’s similar to not being in control of another person that has the ability to hurt you through the car/sickness.

[dirk digler]

France found a Covid Case from late December. I know CA is going back to December to check all the flu and pneumonia deaths to see if there are ones with Covid. I think every state should start doing this.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-0...IZ2/index.html

The novel coronavirus first appeared in France on December 27, 2019, said Yves Cohen, an intensive care chief from Avicenne Hospital in Paris, in an interview with local media BFMTV on Sunday.

He said his medical team revisited test results of 24 patients with respiratory infections and tested negative for flu and other kinds of coronavirus in December and January, among them a male patient showed positive for COVID-19.

The patient was tested in hospital on December 27, a month before the first French cases were confirmed, Cohen said, adding that the test had been repeated several times to confirm the result.

The patient was sick for 15 days and infected his two children but not his wife who works in a fish stall of a supermarket.

Cohen initially questioned whether the wife had been exposed to fish products from China, but later confirmed that she had only been exposed to fish produced in France.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

France found a Covid Case from late December. I know CA is going back to December to check all the flu and pneumonia deaths to see if there are ones with Covid. I think every state should start doing this.

https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-05-0...IZ2/index.html

Yeah, no.