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05-24-2022, 07:59 AM | #256 | |
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So what's the answer? Move the kid to a rec league and send him to a camp to improve his skills. The problem with that is there aren't enough rec leagues and coaches to go around. Why aren't there enough leagues? Because it costs to pay for a field to play on and refs to officiate games. Why aren't there enough coaches? Because they're unpaid dads unwilling to spend the time and effort coach. Then they have to put up with Karens that cry that little Sebastian isn't getting to play forward. So what if he's busy watching butterflies or picking his nose, he should play forward!!! And those participation trophies --who pays for those? |
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05-25-2022, 02:25 PM | #257 |
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05-25-2022, 06:36 PM | #258 |
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Did you **** the kids mom yet
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05-26-2022, 03:33 AM | #259 | |
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05-26-2022, 09:26 AM | #260 |
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In a perfect world, I would agree with you. But this is kid's soccer in Johnson County, Ks. The mindset is about winning and losing. Parents pay crazy sums of money to have their kids on those types of teams. I'll guarantee you that very few coaches would keep their jobs very long if they didn't produce. So what's the answer? It's rec leagues where the kids are taught fundamentals and no one gets a trophy. The problem there is there aren't enough dads and moms that are willing to give up their time to coach those kids. If you do find a person to coach those types of teams, they still have to put up with the Karens and Todds that are "too busy" to coach themselves. Until we get away from MVP awards, trophies, and such nothing will change. If Pete wants change, then he needs to step up and say this isn't for my kid and move the kid to a rec league. He wants someone to do it for him so he can blame someone else.
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05-26-2022, 09:47 AM | #261 | |
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05-26-2022, 10:06 AM | #262 |
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Your McDonald’s shift start yet? Make a mcshutthe**** up and swan dive off the next overpass you see. My wife looks better than your teletubby
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05-26-2022, 10:07 AM | #263 | |
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05-26-2022, 10:11 AM | #264 | |
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My whole point is that the kid isn't ready for this level of competition and whining about it isn't going to change it. Continue with the lessons, but if you want him to have more playing time, then take the kid to a level where he's not in the bottom third of the roster. It's not rocket science. You said it yourself, the coaches at a club level are certified and trained. They are monitored by the club, so if coaching isn't up to par, they won't be there very long. It's the parent's responsibility to give the kid the best chance at succeeding, not the league. |
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05-26-2022, 10:16 AM | #265 | |
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2. Clubs have shit coaches all the time. Just because they're at that level doesn't mean they're great with certain age groups. When my oldest daughter first started out, she played rec soccer for 3 years and when we felt she had a chance to at least hang with the other girls....we took her to a comp try out. She didn't make the first club she tried out with but she made the second. That helped her get better coaching and better fundamentals. It's why she's starting for her high school team now. If she would have continued to just play rec....she wouldn't have gotten any of that because she would have been coached by some Dad who only coached the team so that his daughter could play more. |
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05-26-2022, 11:56 AM | #266 |
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You still aren't getting my point. Did the kid make this team because he was good enough or did they just need to fill the roster? Sure enough there are shit coaches out there, but if they don't win, they don't stay around very long.
Pete has a problem with this coach. The obvious thing to do is to get the kid away from him. But HE wants the league to do it for him, one way or another. HE needs to take responsibility, not let the club do it for him so he can remain a good guy in his son's eyes. Yes, professional coaches give a better level of instruction. But it's not fair to the kids that are ready for that next step to sit out because "it's not fair". FTR, 2 of my grandkids play on premier teams (one on a USYS National team) and they both start and play the minutes because they have the skills, not because of some BS like "parent is the Admin". |
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05-26-2022, 12:06 PM | #267 |
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05-26-2022, 12:16 PM | #268 |
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I see no issue in paying a league fee for equipment, coaching, and use of facilities. That doesn't mean it should automatically equate to a "must-win" mentality. That's the problem, I think. Should we be expecting that level of competitiveness at 8 years of age simply because we're paying a league fee? I think not, but maybe I'm alone in that assessment. I pay $500 for my kid to play Pop Warner, and that's cheap compared to what some here are paying for soccer. I don't go into it with any expectation that he does anything but learn how to play the game because I paid that fee.
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05-26-2022, 12:16 PM | #269 | |
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Okay, hang on just a second. I don't disagree with a lot of what you say but let's clarify some things. I don't want anyone doing anything for me. I am\was waiting to see what the Coaching assignments are going to be for next season. Secondly I am waiting to see if he stays with the same coach. Thirdly we are scheduling supplemental try outs with another club as a contingency. Finally, the point of the thread was to ask other parents that have been in or are in similar situations how they handled it as this is a first for me. I do have my opinions on things. I realize this is a competitive league, but I also realize we are not a D1 or D2 team. I realize this is not Rec but again, these kids are 8 and at this age there needs to be more encouragement rather discouragement. And I realize I am paying just as much as every other parent. I would think the last thing the club would want is parents leaving and taking their $3k+ a year somewhere else because a coach discouraged their 7 or 8 year old from ever wanting to play soccer again. My opinion is you have to balance how you coach with who you are coaching. If you are coaching a D1 team then I can see that winning is a higher if not top priority. If you are coaching a D4 or D5 team then maybe you need to realize they are D4 or D5 for a reason and approach it thusly? Either way it is what it is. |
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05-26-2022, 10:54 PM | #270 |
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You should physically confront him, kick his ass if need be, he has disrespected you and deserves to suffer the consequences as this is 8 rear old soccer FFS...
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