***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Looks like Ks as a state is staying with May 3rd...

TOPEKA, Kan. —
Kansas Gov. Laura Kelly will unveil her plan to reopen businesses and institutions that have been shut down during the COVID-19 outbreak during an address Thursday night.

Kelly will speak at 6:30 p.m. Thursday night from Topeka.

Kansas’ stay-at-home order is set to expire May 3, and Kelly said during her Wednesday briefing her plan will provide guidance for county leaders and health officials to make their own decisions on restrictions.

Earlier this week, Missouri Gov. Mike Parson unveiled the “Show Me Strong Recovery Plan” that outlined details of how businesses can begin to reopen starting May 4, following weeks of closure aimed at slowing the spread of the coronavirus.

Mayor Quinton Lucas released his plan Wednesday for a “soft opening” of Kansas City businesses and institutions that have been shut down during the COVID-19 outbreak. Under the plan that beings May 15, all Kansas City businesses will be able to open but are subject to a "10/10/10 Rule."

[BWillie]

Remember a week and a half ago where people were citing models the government was looking at saying they thought we should only see 60k deaths?

Well, we are over 61,100 as of today. With states doing a phase 1 reopening, expect this number to continue to rise. The weather & continued slight social distancing in these places will help mitigate it, as well as the leveling off in NY but I would expect to see a pretty constant new cases and death rates regardless.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

NYT finds more excess deaths than admitted in official COVID-19 data in every country studied except one: Sweden. We had 50 FEWER excess deaths than expected. https://t.co/hktGS0iCMO pic.twitter.com/GeOoR001nj

— Johan Norberg (@johanknorberg) April 22, 2020

This is interesting to me as everyone says Sweden is killing everyone.

You had to go there.....you just HAD to go there.......

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by JakeLV

Incredible chest CT of a COVID case intubated for over 25 days, now awake and alert on minimal vent settings. We’ve never seen anything like this. from r/Radiology

Even in the patients who survive, lungs can be significantly damaged

Ugly lungs

[BWillie]

Question, these states doing phase 1 reopening are they mandating citizens to wear masks? If not, why?

If we mandated all citizens to wear masks when they are out and about we could pretty much go about our life and resume. It's really that simple.

Social distancing the way we do it without masks < business as usual with 99.9% of population being mandated to wear masks.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Remember a week and a half ago where people were citing models the government was looking at saying they thought we should only see 60k deaths?

Well, we are over 61,100 as of today. With states doing a phase 1 reopening, expect this number to continue to rise. The weather & continued slight social distancing in these places will help mitigate it, as well as the leveling off in NY but I would expect to see a pretty constant new cases and death rates regardless.

What's your point exactly?

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by TLO

What's your point exactly?

That their projections were wrong. I said at the time I didn't know how they could possibly think they were accurate. It was just frustrating because I don't know how they didn't know.

We now also have the most in critical care than ever before. It went down slightly for a couple of days, from 14-15k, now it is up to 18,665 which I've never seen that high before.

[petegz28]

Shit is getting bad.....


Hundreds of Americans line up for drive-thru food bank handouts in Los Angeles and Pennsylvania as a rise in unemployment leaves Americans struggling to feed their families

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nsylvania.html

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Shit is getting bad.....


Hundreds of Americans line up for drive-thru food bank handouts in Los Angeles and Pennsylvania as a rise in unemployment leaves Americans struggling to feed their families

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nsylvania.html

And it's never gonna get better m8.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And it's never gonna get better m8.

NSFW:

Spoiler!

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BWillie

That their projections were wrong. I said at the time I didn't know how they could possibly think they were accurate. It was just frustrating because I don't know how they didn't know.

We now also have the most in critical care than ever before. It went down slightly for a couple of days, from 14-15k, now it is up to 18,665 which I've never seen that high before.

Where do you see the critical care number?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

NYT finds more excess deaths than admitted in official COVID-19 data in every country studied except one: Sweden. We had 50 FEWER excess deaths than expected. https://t.co/hktGS0iCMO pic.twitter.com/GeOoR001nj

— Johan Norberg (@johanknorberg) April 22, 2020

This is interesting to me as everyone says Sweden is killing everyone.

If I'm reading it right, it's a pretty back-of-the napkin kind of analysis (not that it's not interesting). They're just measuring deaths above "normal," which ignores any other things that might have fluctuated this year compared to the historical average. While much of the difference is likely due to COVID, there are lots of other things at play as well.

[TLO]

Maybe someone can answer this for me, maybe not.

If someone were to be hospitalized with covid, could they request to be treated with remdisevir? How does that work exactly? Do you have to slide a few grand Gilead's way to get it into your doctor's hands or what?

[banyon]

Originally Posted by TLO

Maybe someone can answer this for me, maybe not.

If someone were to be hospitalized with covid, could they request to be treated with remdisevir? How does that work exactly? Do you have to slide a few grand Gilead's way to get it into your doctor's hands or what?

If FDA approves the emergency use, then doctors can give it to people making that request if the doctor feels it is compatible with their course of treatment.

They are talking about doing it very soon.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by banyon

If FDA approves the emergency use, then doctors can give it to people making that request if the doctor feels it is compatible with their course of treatment.

They are talking about doing it very soon.

That makes sense - but with what I understand is a limited supply on hand, who makes the decisions on who gets it and who doesn't?