***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

The next phase in the study will be remdesivir +/- baracinitinib.

Read this on reddit from a supposed physician in the know. What is the 2nd one?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

The next phase in the study will be remdesivir +/- baracinitinib.

Read this on reddit from a supposed physician in the know. What is the 2nd one?

I think it's an arthritis medication

[eDave]

Originally Posted by petegz28

What's wrong with Barey Manilow?

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Nothing.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by O.city

The next phase in the study will be remdesivir +/- baracinitinib.

Read this on reddit from a supposed physician in the know. What is the 2nd one?

It's called a DMARD--disease-modifying antirheumatic drug. Used for RA. It blocks janus kinase, which itself signals cytokines.

I imagine the basic thought is let remdesivir attack the virus and let this agent mitigate a potential cytokine storm.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

excuse most of the money. And you didn't even know this until someone just told you,

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No, I read it here:

https://www.sba.gov/funding-programs...ection-program

But just to be certain, I clarified the forgiveness details with Discuss given that he is more tuned into this stuff than I am. But hey, all hail pete, who can't get the length or the proportions of the loan program right while telling people they don't understand the program.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by eDave

Nothing.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, I read it here:

https://www.sba.gov/funding-programs...ection-program

But just to be certain, I clarified the forgiveness details with Discuss given that he is more tuned into this stuff than I am. But hey, all hail pete, who can't get the length or the proportions of the loan program right while telling people they don't understand the program.

Says the guy that had to have more than 1 person tell him to actually read what I was saying. And your brief moment of bravado doesn't negate the other fact we've been telling you this whole time which is....there is not enough money.


So you can point out that 25% of the money go to to things other than payroll which is great. But the money is no more. And I am not the only one who has been telling you that.

[DaneMcCloud]

If it wasn't bad enough for people with acid reflux that ranitidine was removed from the market, there's now a shortage of famotidine, the active ingredient in Pepcid AC.

That shortage has been exacerbated by reports of doctors using Famotidine as a treatment for COVID-19 because people have begun hoarding it, making it unavailable for people who need it most.

People are stupid.

[Demonpenz]

Doctor I see at mosaic says he expects peak covid in Sept. That is what my dad said he said. So makes sense since st joe is always so behind. We just got snap bracelets last week

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, I read it here:

https://www.sba.gov/funding-programs...ection-program

But just to be certain, I clarified the forgiveness details with Discuss given that he is more tuned into this stuff than I am. But hey, all hail pete, who can't get the length or the proportions of the loan program right while telling people they don't understand the program.

Keep in mind the anecdotes coming from non Los Angeles Lakers and Ruth's Chris borrowers is that the SBA isn't abiding by the text of CARES Act and are changing policies on the fly.

Congress might have intended for the loans to be forgivable but its likely the rubber won't meet the road.

TANSTAAFL is almost always undefeated when it comes to economics. Businesses taking out PPP/EIDL money will pay the price somewhere down the line. Hence why I'm of the opinion that it was never the right move to begin with.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Keep in mind the anecdotes coming from non Los Angeles Lakers and Ruth's Chris borrowers is that the SBA isn't abiding by the text of CARES Act and are changing policies on the fly.

Congress might have intended for the loans to be forgivable but its likely the rubber won't meet the road.

TANSTAAFL is almost always undefeated when it comes to economics. Businesses taking out PPP/EIDL money will pay the price somewhere down the line. Hence why I'm of the opinion that it was never the right move to begin with.

Again, normally I would agree with you 100% here but we aren't much of a just rip the band-aid off type country. I sympathize with small businesses here though. It's hard enough to have a successful business as it is. Let alone when the government starts shutting you down or otherwise forcing you to operate in a very unprofitable and unsustainable situation.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's called a DMARD--disease-modifying antirheumatic drug. Used for RA. It blocks janus kinase, which itself signals cytokines.

I imagine the basic thought is let remdesivir attack the virus and let this agent mitigate a potential cytokine storm.

I assumed it was some type of anti inflammatory so to speak.

[JakeLV]

Incredible chest CT of a COVID case intubated for over 25 days, now awake and alert on minimal vent settings. We’ve never seen anything like this. from r/Radiology

Even in the patients who survive, lungs can be significantly damaged

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Cure Ebola?

Wrong. I am the antiserum to Ebolaids-19.

[O.city]

NYT finds more excess deaths than admitted in official COVID-19 data in every country studied except one: Sweden. We had 50 FEWER excess deaths than expected. https://t.co/hktGS0iCMO pic.twitter.com/GeOoR001nj

— Johan Norberg (@johanknorberg) April 22, 2020

This is interesting to me as everyone says Sweden is killing everyone.