***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by jdubya

There has never been a vaccine made for any corona family virus ever. Not sure why people think we will suddenly make one now. Will there be an "immunity" flu shot in the future? Maybe or maybe not but even those are 30%-40% effective. I think more important right now is finding the most effective treatment modalities.

Just because there wasn't one in the past doesn't mean there can't be one in the future.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

You didn't answer his question.

Do you think hospitals should get paid more for treating a highly contagious pandemic patient?

I think they should bill as they always have. Why should it change now?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Actually there is proof of it. Once certain emergency protocols are in place that happens. It is not conjecture at all. I can't tell you all the specific details but generally speaking this is accurate.

Proof of doctors misdiagnosing cause of death for profit? I'd like to see those specific details.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Just because there wasn't one in the past doesn't mean there can't be one in the future.

You do realize you are basically asking for a vaccine for the common cold more or less, right?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Fish

Proof of doctors misdiagnosing cause of death for profit? I'd like to see those specific details.

Well I can give you the testimony that I believe BigCat referred too from the 2 doctors out of CA. And I don't think it is necessarily an intentional misdiagnosis as opposed to an overstated or exaggerated diagnosis if you get my meaning. As the 2 doctors put it, saying someone died "with covid" and "from covid" are 2 different things. But hospitals are choosing the latter for various reasons and not all financial.

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by jdubya

There has never been a vaccine made for any corona family virus ever.

Except for those used in Animal Agriculture and Vet use for Canines, right?

[Fish]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well I can give you the testimony that I believe BigCat referred too from the 2 doctors out of CA. And I don't think it is necessarily an intentional misdiagnosis as opposed to an overstated or exaggerated diagnosis if you get my meaning. As the 2 doctors put it, saying someone died "with covid" and "from covid" are 2 different things. But hospitals are choosing the latter for various reasons and not all financial.

That's not convincing at all though. "With covid" and "From covid" patients each have covid. Which requires a different hospital protocol and more resources.

[lewdog]

You dipshits realize when someone dies it’s usually from a variety of medical comorbidities, not one specific diagnosis. A person who has a stroke may die from aspiration pneumonia or kidney failure but the cause of those was from the stroke itself.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You dipshits realize when someone dies it’s usually from a variety of medical comorbidities, not one specific diagnosis. A person who has a stroke may die from aspiration pneumonia or kidney failure but the cause of those was from the stroke itself.

No, see, it's all a conspiracy to get extra government money from the hospitals.

Meanwhile, there were 18,500 laboratory confirmed deaths of the swine flu, but somehow that wasn't overcounted when the WHO came up with an estimate of 284,000 deaths. All other diseases are undercounted, except for COVID.

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, see, it's all a conspiracy to get extra government money from the hospitals.

Meanwhile, there were 18,500 laboratory confirmed deaths of the swine flu, but somehow that wasn't overcounted when the WHO came up with an estimate of 284,000 deaths. All other diseases are undercounted, except for COVID.

I've linked the study before and will try to find it again, but with H1N1 they said they didn't have enough test or the means to test everyone with flu symptoms in 2009-2010. 284,000 was the low end of the estimated deaths. I think we are testing anyone with symptoms this time around.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

No, see, it's all a conspiracy to get extra government money from the hospitals.

Meanwhile, there were 18,500 laboratory confirmed deaths of the swine flu, but somehow that wasn't overcounted when the WHO came up with an estimate of 284,000 deaths. All other diseases are undercounted, except for COVID.

Quoting so people know this is a SARCASM post.

We have to spell it out for the idiots, Hamas!

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by lewdog

You dipshits realize when someone dies it’s usually from a variety of medical comorbidities, not one specific diagnosis. A person who has a stroke may die from aspiration pneumonia or kidney failure but the cause of those was from the stroke itself.

So, for example.... reading this thread won't kill me, and frantically typing until my arms fall off won't kill me, and banging my head against the keyboard until my teeth and eyes fall out won't kill me..... the COD will be massive blood loss and head trauma, but it stemmed from reading this thread.

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['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

I've linked the study before and will try to find it again, but with H1N1 they said they didn't have enough test or the means to test everyone with flu symptoms in 2009-2010. 284,000 was the low end of the estimated deaths. I think we are testing anyone with symptoms this time around.

The range was 150,000-571,000.

[Rasputin]

Just got tested that shit sucked getting having the swab go clear back your nostril hope don't have to do that ever again.

They are testing us at work in the parking lot I had to go out there to do it even though i'm off work tonight. We've only had one confirmed case last Saturday but nobody else has gotten sick from it I think with the extra cleaning and masks that suck wearing have helped keep it down so I may be good to live and not get it. I may get to live a while longer I guess that's good. Results take 48 to 72 hours.


No matter what the numbers I don't want the ****ing Covidshit

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

The CDC very clearly ****ed up the test development and roll out. They've even admitted as such.

Beyond that, we clearly underestimated this thing and downplayed it in the beginning, though most other countries did as well.

The main concern has always been hospitals being overrun. That hasn’t happened so that alone gives pause to anything suggesting the whole thing has been botched as some sort of definitive statement. That’s what I’m commenting on. The details and strategies of things to learn and improve and change will always be there but presence of needs for improvement doesn’t equal whole thing mishandled.