***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Demonpenz]

Glad the guy packing meat heat started getting action in this thread. He has been saying important shit for a month but hags keep bickering over numbers.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Glad the guy packing meat heat started getting action in this thread. He has been saying important shit for a month but hags keep bickering over numbers.

DOOMSAYING FEARMONGERING

[Demonpenz]

Oh no that is djs left nuts music

[RunKC]

OU joining the other schools announcing they will have students back this fall

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by RunKC

OU joining the other schools announcing they will have students back this fall

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by O.city

So is it inevitable that all the plants end up shut down at some point?

Who knows.

A few weeks ago, they assumed it would trickle through the various plants and regions of the country and other plants would be able to make up for the plants that were down. It made sense because many plants can dial up production 10-15% when needed without much trouble. When the pack moved inventory forward it was obvious things weren't going as planned. The reality is it's hitting in a much tighter time frame than they expected and all across the board with plants all over the place operating at 50% of regular production.

I highly doubt we see voluntary widespread total shut downs all at the same time. Shit would hit the fan so hard people would go nuts. These companies are making record profits right now. Some are paying $2/hour bonuses, other's are up to $6/hour, and some have initiated $600 attendance bonuses. If they can roll, they will roll as soon and as hard as they can.

It'll be the states themselves who step in and say, "lock this shit down", if it happens. We all better hope each state's governor fully understands the consequences of that decision if the time comes.

[O.city]

Discuss do you think we should lock down for longer.?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

Discuss do you think we should lock down for longer.?

I don't think having massive amounts of people traveling across the country and congregating in large groups is a good idea no.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by O.city

Discuss do you think we should lock down for longer.?

I think he wants a 50 year lockdown.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I think he wants a 50 year lockdown.

This is as good as it will get for us.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by ghak99

I quit making posts about the packer issues, but lets just say it is every where and the list of plants running at half staff is quite lengthy. Every day a new batch of processing location rumors come out and a few days later the plants make moves that admit the issues exist.

Very little of this info is making headlines beyond the groups who stand to lose massive amounts of money soon.

I have a friend that has a SIL with a private hog operation. He is currently sitting with 5000 hogs ready for market but can't find any buyers. I've heard rumors of farmers selling hogs out of their barn for $90.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's not my turn in the rotation yet. I did it two weeks ago.

Originally Posted by TLO

I nominate Donger.

I nominate KCwannabescientist88.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by TLO

I nominate Donger.

May as well, he is going to do it regardless.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Donger

Any input on this?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/grocers...ts-11587679833

Article is behind a wall, but retailers are definitely having to scramble for inventory and use supply chains they have never used before.

Things are tight, but no one wants this info out in the media for obvious reasons.

Go to your local subway and ask for roast beef. A lot of them will not have it as their supplier was one of the first to cut them off and divert that inventory to a grocery chain. No one will panic over subway making you eat turkey, but an empty beef case in the grocery store scares the sheep.

A few states have proposals to allow the retail purchase of meat from local butchers ready to put up for discussion. It's basically an emergency deregulation. It'll be like pissing in the wind, but maybe it would help in some regions.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

I have a friend that has a SIL with a private hog operation. He is currently sitting with 5000 hogs ready for market but can't find any buyers. I've heard rumors of farmers selling hogs out of their barn for $90.

Not uncommon. Independents, both beef and pork, are absolutely ****ed and at the will of the buyers. Company iso weans are being euthanized to slow the flow, but they're 4 months too late to really affect the chain.

A lot of people will go broke while the companies are making record profits/hd.