EV Cars/Trucks

[synthesis2]

Since I was banned from the Gas thread for simply saying I was glad I have a EV car now I thought I'd answer the question that was posed to me by another before I was banned.(still have zero idea why.

We have a Model 3 long range, it gets around 340 miles per charge and our all in was 50k for the car, $500 for the Wall Charger (you don't need but its cool looking)

Our previous car was a Porsche Cayenne, here is what we spent in the year we owned it. My wife is a rep and uses as her company car. ( she gets paid mileage) so we paid 40k for it. Was a year old when we got it. She drove it 50K in a year, we had to use premium unleaded gas and it got around 18 miles per gallon. We had to get it serviced 3 times with a average cost of $500-700 on each service. I don't know how much we paid in gas but lets assume we still had it today and Premium was going for 4.50 a gallon, it would be around 12-14k on gas a year, along with $1500-2000 in services so our all in each year was 13.5-16k per year in service and gas.

With our Tesla our electricity has seemed to go up $40-50 per month, so lets call it $600 plus tires rotated $100, windshield wiper fluid $5 so for the year its around $800 vs. 13.5-16k.

So the 10k cost difference was made up in less than a year and now we are saving 12k plus per year compared. Plus she loves the car much more than the Porsche.

I know compared with a ford focus the math may not ever make sense but for a nicer car its been awesome for us.

[displacedinMN]

(Daily Caller News Foundation) — Nearly half of American electric vehicle (EV) owners want to buy an internal combustion engine model the next time they buy a car, according to a new study from McKinsey and Company, a leading consulting firm.



Approximately 46% of Americans who own an EV want to go back to a standard vehicle for their next purchase, citing issues like inadequate charging infrastructure and affordability, according to McKinsey’s study, which was obtained and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. The study’s findings further suggest that the Biden administration’s EV push is struggling to land with American consumers, after 46% of respondents indicated that they are unlikely or very unlikely to purchase an EV in a June poll conducted by The Associated Press and the University of Chicago’s Energy Policy Institute.

Moreover, 58% of Americans are very likely to keep their current cars for longer, and 44% are likely to postpone a possible switch to EVs, McKinsey’s study found. Consumers’ concerns about EV charging infrastructure are notable given the slow rollout of the Biden administration’s $7.5 billion public EV charger program, which has so far led to the construction of only a handful of chargers in nearly three years.


The Biden administration has a stated goal of having EVs make up 50% of all new car sales by 2030, and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) finalized stringent regulations in March that will force manufacturers to ensure that up to 56% of their light-duty vehicles are EVs by 2032. The EPA has also finalized strict emissions standards for medium- and light-duty vehicles, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has also locked in fuel economy standards that will further push manufacturers to produce more EVs.

The administration is also spending billions of dollars to subsidize the production and purchase of EVs, but manufacturers are still losing considerable amounts of cash on their EV product lines. EVs remained below a 10% share of all auto sales in the U.S. in 2023, according to Cox Automotive.

The White House did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by displacedinMN

(Daily Caller News Foundation) — Nearly half of American electric vehicle (EV) owners want to buy an internal combustion engine model the next time they buy a car, according to a new study from McKinsey and Company, a leading consulting firm.



Approximately 46% of Americans who own an EV want to go back to a standard vehicle for their next purchase, citing issues like inadequate charging infrastructure and affordability, according to McKinsey’s study, which was obtained and reviewed by the Daily Caller News Foundation. The study’s findings further suggest that the Biden administration’s EV push is struggling to land with American consumers, after 46% of respondents indicated that they are unlikely or very unlikely to purchase an EV in a June poll conducted by The Associated Press and the University of Chicago’s Energy Policy Institute.

Moreover, 58% of Americans are very likely to keep their current cars for longer, and 44% are likely to postpone a possible switch to EVs, McKinsey’s study found. Consumers’ concerns about EV charging infrastructure are notable given the slow rollout of the Biden administration’s $7.5 billion public EV charger program, which has so far led to the construction of only a handful of chargers in nearly three years.


The Biden administration has a stated goal of having EVs make up 50% of all new car sales by 2030, and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) finalized stringent regulations in March that will force manufacturers to ensure that up to 56% of their light-duty vehicles are EVs by 2032. The EPA has also finalized strict emissions standards for medium- and light-duty vehicles, while the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has also locked in fuel economy standards that will further push manufacturers to produce more EVs.

The administration is also spending billions of dollars to subsidize the production and purchase of EVs, but manufacturers are still losing considerable amounts of cash on their EV product lines. EVs remained below a 10% share of all auto sales in the U.S. in 2023, according to Cox Automotive.

The White House did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

Holy shit, that is some serious stuff.

Handfull of charging stations in three years for billions, really?


I am guessing some serious pushback by manufaturers and consumers to the EPA.

[notorious]

Any government programs with little oversight is an opportunity to line pockets with money.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by notorious

Any government programs with little oversight is an opportunity to line pockets with money.

To be fair, the money isn't gone, it's just not spent yet. There's no question it's been minimal progress though.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by DaFace

To be fair, the money isn't gone, it's just not spent yet. There's no question it's been minimal progress though.

What I want to know is, will an all electric vehicle "peel out?" (50s term for smoking the tires or doing a burnout)

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

What I want to know is, will an all electric vehicle "peel out?" (50s term for smoking the tires or doing a burnout)

They definitely will due to the instant torque, but it's usually not near as fun since a vast majority are FWD.

I actually have to replace the tires on my wife's Leaf faster than I'd like because it's easy to burn a little rubber off the line.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by DaFace

They definitely will due to the instant torque, but it's usually not near as fun since a vast majority are FWD.

I actually have to replace the tires on my wife's Leaf faster than I'd like because it's easy to burn a little rubber off the line.

Heard that is common, along with the weight of the cars wear out tires faster.

[Chief Pagan]

Approximately 46% of Americans who own an EV want to go back to a standard vehicle for their next purchase

One poll without context, I'm not sure how much faith I would put it in.

Do 46% want to replace their EV with an ICE? Or are they multi car families and their next purchase will be an ICE replacement for an ICE?

Most EVs are being bought by families that also have an ICE or at least a hybrid and I can understand why. For multi car families with a garage, a commuter, around town EV can be great.

That is a lot households but certainly leaves a lot of people out.

Building up new infrastructure is hard.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by DaFace

They definitely will due to the instant torque, but it's usually not near as fun since a vast majority are FWD.

I actually have to replace the tires on my wife's Leaf faster than I'd like because it's easy to burn a little rubber off the line.

I would have thought modern electronics would have prevented tires from slipping.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Approximately 46% of Americans who own an EV want to go back to a standard vehicle for their next purchase



One poll without context, I'm not sure how much faith I would put it in.



Do 46% want to replace their EV with an ICE? Or are they multi car families and their next purchase will be an ICE replacement for an ICE?



Most EVs are being bought by families that also have an ICE or at least a hybrid and I can understand why. For multi car families with a garage, a commuter, around town EV can be great.



That is a lot households but certainly leaves a lot of people out.



Building up new infrastructure is hard.

I do also think that there was a bit of a hype wave where some people bought EVs who shouldn't have. If you can't charge at home (e.g., living in an apartment without chargers), owning an EV would be miserable, but some people did it.

I could also see it being a ton of people who bought Teslas and are now cranky about Elon.

I do think that poll is a little dubious, though. My hunch is the question was on a scale of "very likely," "somewhat likely," and "not likely," and they reported very+somewhat, but I've had trouble finding their actual methodology.

[hometeam]

I was told to no longer accept EV from the manufacturer I work for, regardless of allocation or consequences~

[neech]

And I remember just months ago a few people on here saying that EV’s were the best thing. They would never admit there was an issue with them.

Of course, these were from people who actually bought them, they would never admit if there was a mistake you know that.

[neech]

Originally Posted by hometeam

I was told to no longer accept EV from the manufacturer I work for, regardless of allocation or consequences~

They must have seen the expenses and lawsuits coming down the road.
They’re smart like that.

[HemiEd]

Originally Posted by DaFace

They definitely will due to the instant torque, but it's usually not near as fun since a vast majority are FWD.

I actually have to replace the tires on my wife's Leaf faster than I'd like because it's easy to burn a little rubber off the line.

I wondered about that since electric motors have such instant response and wind up.

A few years ago there were a few electric motor dragsters showing up but I haven't seen anything about them lately.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by neech

And I remember just months ago a few people on here saying that EV’s were the best thing. They would never admit there was an issue with them.

Of course, these were from people who actually bought them, they would never admit if there was a mistake you know that.

I mean, I love ours. If I didn't have to frequently drive 10 hours across I70 in Western KS, I'd own two.