***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

This came from???

The New Mexican Ocean

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by notorious

Sharks. Watch out for the sharks.

Sand sharks in particular....

[limested]

Originally Posted by petegz28

.

That comment was after I said you were wrong. You and 88 need to go have a reach around together.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

The New Mexican Ocean

Werd. I hear you have to book a couple years out to get a decent room.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by limested

That comment was after I said you were wrong. You and 88 need to go have a reach around together.

Sure...

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I wanted to know so I could go......AZ beaches I hear are the bomb!!

California hasn't fallen off yet.

Puerto Peñasco/Rocky Point is the closest and sometimes called Arizona's beach, just across the border by an hour.

[CrazyPhuD]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I would suggest that using South Korea as your barometer isn't reasonable given that practicality no one has done as well as they have.

The problem with the logic there is that South Korea is also effectively an island. Islands are worlds easier to secure. We could do all the contact tracing in the world and we're still unlikely to stop the spread(other than shutting everything down for 12-18 months). Why?

Simply put South and Latin America will probably be badly screwed by this. Let's suppose we open up and have awesome contact tracing and testing. Sounds good, but won't be enough, because if Latin/South america get punished by this, illegal immigration to the US will skyrocket. It will be for two reasons, to get away from what ever pandemic is in their country and hoping if they get sick in the US they at least have a chance at treatment.

While this sounds political my intent isn't, those groups will be much lower likelyhood to get tested and to honestly report who they've been in contact with. Contact tracing and testing will break down there.

That's the huge advantage with being an island they can lock down boarders in ways that no land borders will be.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Clay County cant even properly run their own commission. We would be royally ****ed if we ever listened to them. You should run for office up there you'd fit right in.

Originally Posted by petegz28

Or perhaps you should so you could set them straight? You might have to move out of the basement but it's a step I am sure you're well overdue to take.

Would you two please stop it?

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Until they change laws and what not, no it won't.

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief

Only if we are dumb enough to allow it...

911 radically changed both our laws and our social expectations.

If society is basically back to normal by summer, may be not.

But it seems plausible that daily life is still going to be revolving around the virus six months from now.

If (and there are lots of unknowns in that if) that is the case, I think it will change society, and our laws, just like 911.

I didn't like the changes after 911 and I'm not cheerleading for them now. But I could see it happening.

[kpic]

Thought I would share a real-world example here (as opposed to DC where not sure what would happen to a post)

Work in a considered "essential" field in a developmentally disabled facility. Not going to go into too much details concerning all of this but the numbers are no secret, they are out there - but still not sure where the ethical lines are here for this so I'll be as basic as possible (sorry!)

There is no social distancing here, the population I work with doesn't understand that, PPE and\or washing yourself - so this is of course an extreme case.

Covid hit about 3 weeks or so ago, prior to that and continued all employees get some questions and temp in and then temp out.

For the residents; we have about 30+ and counting (out of "about" 300-400, yes I know the exact but again I'll give you a rough idea rather than being specific). Of those 30+ positive cases we have "officially" 2 dead (possibly 3), now a few of those if they caught a bad flu or anything else they were likely not going to make it, 1 was really a surprise, thought that person was pretty healthy. The fatal are all up there in age.

Employees; PPE is basically working pretty well, about 16+ positive but most of that were direct contact prior to knowing who had what and who you were working with.

My overall thoughts are that it seems very virulent in this type setting of course, I have been working for over 30 years in this field and I think I can only recall one really, really bad flu season in that time that spreads like this thing and once it hits it seems to hit pretty hard (on this population anyway) so everything you heard about those aspects I think are correct.

I have a friend who watches this stuff all over the news with the numbers etc. I tell him to relax, I really think in the general population you'd have to be unlucky, doing something you weren't supposed to be and\or careless or a little of each to get this thing - now having underlying conditions would of course be a problem and you won't see me going to any large gatherings for a long while but the average person who is shutting in and so-on will be fine I think, yes I think some of this is being overblown for the average person but I understand hospitals could be overrun in certain areas if not careful.

If there are any other follow-up questions I'll be glad to answer them as best as I can.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by kpic

Thought I would share a real-world example here (as opposed to DC where not sure what would happen to a post)

Work in a considered "essential" field in a developmentally disabled facility. Not going to go into too much details concerning all of this but the numbers are no secret, they are out there - but still not sure where the ethical lines are here for this so I'll be as basic as possible (sorry!)

There is no social distancing here, the population I work with doesn't understand that, PPE and\or washing yourself - so this is of course an extreme case.

Covid hit about 3 weeks or so ago, prior to that and continued all employees get some questions and temp in and then temp out.

For the residents; we have about 30+ and counting (out of "about" 300-400, yes I know the exact but again I'll give you a rough idea rather than being specific). Of those 30+ positive cases we have "officially" 2 dead (possibly 3), now a few of those if they caught a bad flu or anything else they were likely not going to make it, 1 was really a surprise, thought that person was pretty healthy. The fatal are all up there in age.

Employees; PPE is basically working pretty well, about 16+ positive but most of that were direct contact prior to knowing who had what and who you were working with.

My overall thoughts are that it seems very virulent in this type setting of course, I have been working for over 30 years in this field and I think I can only recall one really, really bad flu season in that time that spreads like this thing and once it hits it seems to hit pretty hard (on this population anyway) so everything you heard about those aspects I think are correct.

I have a friend who watches this stuff all over the news with the numbers etc. I tell him to relax, I really think in the general population you'd have to be unlucky, doing something you weren't supposed to be and\or careless or a little of each to get this thing - now having underlying conditions would of course be a problem and you won't see me going to any large gatherings for a long while but the average person who is shutting in and so-on will be fine I think, yes I think some of this is being overblown for the average person but I understand hospitals could be overrun in certain areas if not careful.

If there are any other follow-up questions I'll be glad to answer them as best as I can.

You must quit with this reasonableness. Only extremeness is allowed here on CP.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by kpic

Thought I would share a real-world example here (as opposed to DC where not sure what would happen to a post)

Work in a considered "essential" field in a developmentally disabled facility. Not going to go into too much details concerning all of this but the numbers are no secret, they are out there - but still not sure where the ethical lines are here for this so I'll be as basic as possible (sorry!)

There is no social distancing here, the population I work with doesn't understand that, PPE and\or washing yourself - so this is of course an extreme case.

Covid hit about 3 weeks or so ago, prior to that and continued all employees get some questions and temp in and then temp out.

For the residents; we have about 30+ and counting (out of "about" 300-400, yes I know the exact but again I'll give you a rough idea rather than being specific). Of those 30+ positive cases we have "officially" 2 dead (possibly 3), now a few of those if they caught a bad flu or anything else they were likely not going to make it, 1 was really a surprise, thought that person was pretty healthy. The fatal are all up there in age.

Employees; PPE is basically working pretty well, about 16+ positive but most of that were direct contact prior to knowing who had what and who you were working with.

My overall thoughts are that it seems very virulent in this type setting of course, I have been working for over 30 years in this field and I think I can only recall one really, really bad flu season in that time that spreads like this thing and once it hits it seems to hit pretty hard (on this population anyway) so everything you heard about those aspects I think are correct.

I have a friend who watches this stuff all over the news with the numbers etc. I tell him to relax, I really think in the general population you'd have to be unlucky, doing something you weren't supposed to be and\or careless or a little of each to get this thing - now having underlying conditions would of course be a problem and you won't see me going to any large gatherings for a long while but the average person who is shutting in and so-on will be fine I think, yes I think some of this is being overblown for the average person but I understand hospitals could be overrun in certain areas if not careful.

If there are any other follow-up questions I'll be glad to answer them as best as I can.

We need more mongering, bro. These real life balanced takes aren't acceptable here.

Serously though, your post sounds pretty much in line with the numbers. I appreciate the input!

[TLO]

A couple articles out there today of this thing causing people in their 30s and 40s to have strokes.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/doctor...-young-adults/

[TLO]

Originally Posted by TLO

A couple articles out there today of this thing causing people in their 30s and 40s to have strokes.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/23/doctor...-young-adults/

But then again, from that article

Oxley and his colleagues said they typically record fewer than two strokes per month in people under the age of 50, but in a two-week period during the pandemic, they treated five. Their findings are to be published in a letter in the New England Journal of Medicine.

[BigCatDaddy]

I try to skim past the normal daily bickering so I'm not sure if this was posted.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/possi...ATon31Ohs9VaYk