***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The LV mayor's last name is Goodman. I assume she's related to Oscar Goodman, who was mayor there for years and had all kinds of dirty connections and mob ties.

There's probably not a politician at any level worth a shit in Nevada that isn't crooked in some way, shape or form between mob ties, unions, etc.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The LV mayor's last name is Goodman. I assume she's related to Oscar Goodman, who was mayor there for years and had all kinds of dirty connections and mob ties.

They're married.

[Titty Meat]

Highest total of numbers for KC since 10 days ago. Yikes.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

There's probably not a politician at any level worth a shit in Nevada that isn't crooked in some way, shape or form between mob ties, unions, etc.

After watching her I figured she had been 'selected' to get elected.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Looks like the Sweedish idea for Eugenics is failing.

Why do you say that? While they've had higher spread rates than their neighbors, it doesn't look like it's spiraling out of control or anything.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Looks like the Sweedish idea for Eugenics is failing.

I mean, not really.

At some point, alot of people are gonna get sick. No matter what.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Highest total of numbers for KC since 10 days ago. Yikes.

Link?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Why do you say that? While they've had higher spread rates than their neighbors, it doesn't look like it's spiraling out of control or anything.

Did i read something today that they think they're already at or above 30 percent immunity in the population?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Link?

https://www.kansascity.com/news/coro...242204361.html

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by O.city

Did i read something today that they think they're already at or above 30 percent immunity in the population?

I don't think it's definitive, but I've seen references to the thinking that they may be in that range. They're still doing some social distancing (just not to the extremes everyone else is), so it's not completely surprising that they're leveling off, but I bet many would have guessed their situation would be much worse than they are at the moment.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Why do you say that? While they've had higher spread rates than their neighbors, it doesn't look like it's spiraling out of control or anything.

16k infections and about 2k deaths is a pretty staggering number IMO

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I don't think it's definitive, but I've seen references to the thinking that they may be in that range. They're still doing some social distancing (just not to the extremes everyone else is), so it's not completely surprising that they're leveling off, but I bet many would have guessed their situation would be much worse than they are at the moment.

I was waiting for it to blow up....just doesn't seem to be happening there.

I guess we'll get to see what happens with these states that are opening up in the coming weeks.

[ChiliConCarnage]

Not sure Ive seen it posted. Blocking covid from infecting cells.

https://www.kentucky.com/news/corona...242203141.html

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by O.city

I mean, not really.

At some point, alot of people are gonna get sick. No matter what.

Yes really. The argument that we just let people die is a non starter. Weve seen countries limit the number of deaths by implementing strict measures and those countries have been able to begin phase 1 of re opening.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

16k infections and about 2k deaths is a pretty staggering number IMO

In isolation, I guess. In context, though, they're right in line with Germany for per-capita cases, which is viewed as being one of the countries that's handled it pretty well from the beginning. Their per-capita deaths are on the high side, but the entire point was to rip the band-aid off (so to speak), and they're still nowhere near places like France and Italy. (And they say that their deaths are really high because they failed to put adequate protections in place for nursing homes - a valid criticism of their approach.)

I'm not arguing that their numbers look fantastic or anything, but I can't see a ton of evidence that they're definitely going to regret their decision yet, especially if they do indeed start reaching a level of immunity faster than everyone else (which is also TBD, so no victory celebrations for them yet).