***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by srvy

Would they have died without it?

Yeah no one can say. I would imagine if you asked those 39 they all would agree that they are happy it was prescribed.

I mean I get its not hard evidence, but why dismiss it so flippantly

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19...ard.aspx#cases

That's a link to the Santa Clara County COVID-19 site.

They're showing 1,833 cases with 69 deaths, so I'm not sure I understand this paper. Is it just an estimate based on ?

The serology tests show people who had it and have recovered. Those other numbers are pcr test positives

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Well I think it would be amazing news, because it would drop the mortality rate alot right? Meaning we could just focus on those who are vulnerable and rest could get back to life.

Let's say the R0 is 5.7. You would need 82 percent of the population to be infected for herd immunity. That means your caseload in that area needs to increase by a factor of 25. That means 25 times more hospitalizations.

That would likely overwhelm the hospital system if you opened everything back up, because if this study is definitive, it means COVID is remarkably contagious.

Be patient.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, the agitation thing really hit me hard. I'd get dizzy and really agitated, so much so that I'd need to go outside in the 20 degree weather, without a coat or jacket, to try to walk it off.

I know that it can be a miracle drug for some but wow, the side effects were brutal.

You are always agitated without the prednisone.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by O.city

The serology tests show people who had it and have recovered. Those other numbers are pcr test positives

So many people I personally know were sick a dogs in later last year earlie this year and tested negative for the flu. I wonder if it has been going around since early November.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

So many people I personally know were sick a dogs in later last year earlie this year and tested negative for the flu. I wonder if it has been going around since early November.

Nah, not that long.

The genetics of it are pretty mapped out and traced. Early to mid January is when it got here

[BleedingRed]

I mean allergies were bad this year, what if alot people just thought COVID (mild case) was bad case of allergies. I don't know just to optimistic side of me I guess.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I mean allergies were bad this year, what if alot people just thought COVID (mild case) was bad case of allergies. I don't know just to optimistic side of me I guess.

When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/he...a-c4a5ffad3ffb

#hydroxychloriquine

Nursing home got the Covid in Texas, Dr on site got them all on the drug. out of 39 people who have taken it (all 65+) no ones died.

Just saying...

Lotr Gollum GIF from Lotr GIFs

[srvy]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, the Chevron down the street from me is at $3.39 a gallon

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

How much of this is cali taxes?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

So many people I personally know were sick a dogs in later last year earlie this year and tested negative for the flu. I wonder if it has been going around since early November.

I have wondered that myself but there has been researchers tracking the genome\DNA of the virus and have traced it to entering the US around mid-January from China.


But nothing can be 100% sure.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Lotr Gollum GIF from Lotr GIFs

Irony of this GIF is you are saying it to yourself.

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

Were at one so far, and there's definitely two more that could go to cover my bet.

I'll send you some Pappy if it ever shows up...

My ban finger is warmed up. Where do you want me to start?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I have wondered that myself but there has been researchers tracking the genome\DNA of the virus and have traced it to entering the US around mid-January from China.


But nothing can be 100% sure.

Yeah I'm more curious about how the world is going to treat China now. I feel like we are going to see a major shift toward other SE Asian Countries and India.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by O.city

The serology tests show people who had it and have recovered. Those other numbers are pcr test positives

Got it, thanks!