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This stuff went on today.
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: In the Country in MO
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Tennessee
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I have a question. (Please keep in mind that I grew up hunting quail and pheasant and deer and elk in CO, so don't go all redneck on me.)
I have friends who shoot deer using camouflage and tree stands while another friend of mine (now deceased) used to put out food for turkeys then shoot them when they showed up. My question is this; do you guys actually consider this "hunting"? Or is it really something else? FAX |
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But those who bow hunt, other than technologically superior bows when compared to what people did just 100 years ago, really are "hunting" much closer to what hunters did 100 years ago than on the rifle side. But I'll be the first to admit that the 125 yard shot my son put exactly where he/we wanted would have been far more difficult 100 years ago. From the ammunition, the the rifle, to having scopes, we have it much easier than rifle hunters had it 100 years ago. Too redneck? I hope not, I'm a city boy who grew up on the coast shaping surfboards! |
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Tennessee
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It isn't the technology that I'm asking about, Mr. GloryDayz ... not really (although I suppose that's a factor). And there is a certain amount of skill involved in bringing down a deer with one shot ... no question about that.
I'm talking about the concept itself. Guys around here are setting up tree stands, enjoying beverages while they wait, then peg the deer as they pass by. I question whether or not this is really "hunting". To me, a better term would be "harvesting". The deer are so plentiful around here, it's obviously a necessary activity and I'm not morally opposed to it. I just wonder about the "hunting" part. I guess I don't see a lot of "hunting" going on. FAX |
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: South Dakota
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Baiting deer with corn is bullshit IMO. I think it's unfair. It's why i don't like those bear stations either. You're forcing the animal to disobey all it knows for an easy meal in your area. Bait stations are as cheap as shooting fenced in deer. |
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Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: South Dakota
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Keep updating on those deer hides, it's interesting stuff.
I've been into doing European mounts the last few years. They've turned out damn good. I could probably find some pictures if anyone cares. |
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Diving
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But sitting in a tree is how it's been done for millennia, so I guess, other than the technological upgrades, it hasn't really changed. But is fishing "fishing" since you're sitting in a boat and using a pole? But I can appreciate the difference between sitting in a treestand and waiting and hunting from the ground on the move, the latter is a different style. And yes, this year the deer were particularly populous. On the ~400 acres we harvest on, there were 16 taken, and there appear to be plenty left. His neighbor to the south, 850 acres, had 24 taken and they're still suffering above average car v. deer accidents. |
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Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The OP
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1st - Baiting is illegal on Public land in Kansas. It is legal on Private land. That's all up to a hunter's personal ethics at that point. Is hunting over a corn field where deer happen to show up the same thing? If you hunt over a natural food source, like acorns, is that the same thing? There are grey lines everywhere, and folks just have to come to terms with their own ethical standards. 2nd - Turkeys suck. So, whatever it takes to shoot those bastards, I'm in favor of... |
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#2174 |
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Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Diving
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All great questions from Mr. FAX, and I think he's right, technically we're harvesting.
From there it opens a lot of interesting questions (that weren't really in the original question). And has been stated, it's governed by everything from local laws to personal ethics. Not that putting corn down is much different than leaving some corn standing, but it's tons different than an automated feed station. It's not my preference, but I'm not going to be critical of others who do. But hey, I used to chum the water a lot when we off-shore fished.. ![]() And, and people who hunt with alcohol in their possession can **** off. We may have beers after the day is done, but nothing before or during. IOW, guns and alcohol don't mix. And I make an AWESOME deer skinning martini... ![]() |
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Join Date: Jan 2014
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So, yes, it is technically hunting, but I assume you meant a more philosophical definition (i.e. what is a real man/drink/knife/American). The previous posters hit the main points, but there's another big one: Outfitting. I don't know about Colorado, but outfitting (the profession of selling hunting experiences) has overtaken Kansas. Most of the good hunting ground gets leased to outfitters, who then charge primarily out-of-state hunters to hunt. Especially true for deer hunting, the current and future success of the outfitter is getting his clients a big deer (a large enough deer often costs more), so providing an easy, comfortable experience (heated tower blinds, corn-trained deer, limiting access only to paying customers, etc.) is a must. Problem is, when everybody artificially feeds the deer, it changes the deer's natural behavior, so a naturally trained deer hunter will be at a disadvantage, and most are forced to play the game in order to have a chance. Feeding (baiting) deer is not legal in every state, and it's illegal everywhere for migratory birds. |
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