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09-17-2020, 10:55 AM | #196 |
Rock Chalk Jayhawks! KU!!!
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Maybe we should bump some old Herm Threads from the Goldern Era of CP?
That would be fun to relive... Well not really, but.... |
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09-17-2020, 10:56 AM | #197 | |
I'll be back.
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This is EXACTLY what being a Dallas Cowboys fan was like after 1992. I saw every game those teams played. BORING. |
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09-17-2020, 11:04 AM | #198 | |
The Insider
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09-17-2020, 11:25 AM | #199 | |
In Search of a Life
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No, I don't think these changes prove any critics or haters right. Most like me felt he was a brilliant coach who just needed a little boost to get over the top. Credit it to brilliantly adapting to the game or credit it to fixing shortcomings... Either way he is a different and better coach than when he first started. |
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09-17-2020, 11:34 AM | #200 | |
Needs more middle fingers
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09-17-2020, 11:41 AM | #201 | |
Special Teams ACE!!!
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"We" didn't teach Andy jack shit. The last couple of seasons have simply been a continuation of what he has done for 20+ years in this league. He's fired GMs in Philly before. He fired two different defensive coordinators, too-- one of those coaches (Sean McDermott) wasn't even that bad! He loved Donovan McNabb like his own damn son in Philly, and when he thought he had something in Kevin Kolb of all QBs, he traded him to a freaking division rival. And even the Patrick Mahomes plan wasn't a case of Andy learning or figuring something out. It wasn't like he went, "Oh... I get it now! I need to not roll with safe efficient game managers!" He already knew what could be possible because he coached Brett Favre years ago. Sure, you may have been faithful to him and defended him for years, but it's totally inaccurate the idea that Andy was some bumbling stubborn ex-Holmgren/WCO stooge for 14 years in Philly until the voice of God came to him as a dove in KC one day and sang into his right ear the path to coaching immortality. He's not an old dog who was taught new tricks. He's just an old dog. Period. And how do you get to be an old dog in the NFL? By CONSTANTLY fixing things, adjusting according to the personnel you have on the field, and trying to find and exploit conventional wisdom around the league with new concepts and trends. |
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09-17-2020, 11:46 AM | #202 | |
In Search of a Life
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09-17-2020, 12:02 PM | #203 | |
Bring it on Ahab!
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He suddenly became a better coach at the start of the 2018 season. It's just a coincidence that mahomes is a star. Do you really believe this? What's more likely .. that Reid suddenly corrected all of his flaws the same year mahomes took over OR that Reid had actually overachieved with mediocre QBs his whole career and thrived while coaching a great one? I feel occam's razor applies here. Andy has always adjusted his scheme to fit the QB. He called games differently with McNabb than he did vick. Same for a jeff Garcia, alex smith, and patrick mahomes. Andy didn't suddenly change. |
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09-17-2020, 12:04 PM | #204 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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If Watson doesn't throw a pick and Watts doesn't return an onside kick inside the red zone, the Chiefs win 24 to 17 and you're bitching about Andy making it unnecessarily close again. He's. Changed. Nothing. He simply has guys that execute better. Your late game management gripes were unfounded 4 years ago and your 'credit' to Reid is just nonsensical now. He's the same guy - you just didn't realize that your concerns were garbage back when you had them so you don't understand that nothings different now. |
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09-17-2020, 12:05 PM | #205 | |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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09-17-2020, 12:14 PM | #206 |
Sauntering Vaguely Downwards
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He's literally been ****ing this chicken for years.
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...postcount=1321 You will NEVER convince him otherwise. Somehow things have 'changed' rather than him just not understanding what the hell is going on. That whole thread is a few guys trying to make the same old tired complaints and ignoring every bit of situational decision-making put in front of them. They ignore every time Andy TRIED to go downfield and execution blew it. Or every time he drew up a pass on 3rd down and a guy dropped it. Because he tried a run on 2nd and 6 that lost a couple yards and put them behind the sticks. This thing has been stupid for so long and it just will not die. Now the same old parties try to argue that he's 'changed' somehow when he absolutely has not. |
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09-17-2020, 12:18 PM | #207 | |
Bring it on Ahab!
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While I've been up and down on Andy over the years, but I could never shake this belief that mcnabb kinda sucked. McNabb once ran out the clock on OT and tied. Then expressed that he didn't know a tie was possible. McNabb had already played in a tie game! I knew what Alex Smith was. I saw how he transformed Vick. All mahomes did was prove my theory, which I wasnt even convinced of... that 'clock management" has more to do with qb than coach. I learned that when joe montana showed up in 93 and suddenly Marty's 2 minute offense was effective. |
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09-17-2020, 12:24 PM | #208 | |
Bring it on Ahab!
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But he didn't learn how to manage a clock. He just has a guy who can convert 3rd and 10+ at a staggering rate instead of a guy who eats a sack on every 3rd and 6. |
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09-17-2020, 12:37 PM | #209 | |
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09-17-2020, 12:48 PM | #210 | |
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I can still remember that game in the playoffs, when we were down late in the game and didn't convert a 3rd down. Marty immediately signaled for the punting team. Montana ran over and argued with Marty for about 5 seconds, after which Marty thew up his hands and basically said 'okay let's go for it.' Montana ran back onto the field and easily converted that 4th down, and the rest is history. Marty never would've gone for that 4th down conversion with any other QB except for his total respect for Montana. |
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