***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

In Los Angeles county, which has more than 21 million people, 99.9% of the people here are following the Stay At Home order.

Traffic accidents have been reduced by well more than 50%, crime is down 23% and the air quality is among the best in the world.

If you don't think that Social Distancing and the Stay At Home order are effective, you're not paying attention.

Thanos is pleased.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Dartgod

c'mon man......live a little already

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Like I said you can wait for the trial to finish. I can be ahead of the curb. When you catch up to me no hard feelings.

Ahead of the curve? Is that what's important to you? What of the trial results come back negative?

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

This has been mostly unreadable for awhile. What else should we expect from a JakeF thread though?

When theres a vaccine who should we let start the thread for it? We can treat it like a game day thread since we might not have football.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Monticore

They don't know either way yet, why? with who? it might make some worse some better, some may get better without it some won't , when should it me administered to have the best effect or cause the least damage etc….

I know. I was being sarcastic.....

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

“The tests in the hospital, they’re too short a period of time to get a scientific report,” Cuomo said. “Hospital administrators, doctors want to have a significant data set before they give a formal opinion. Anecdotally, you’ll get suggestions that it has been effective. But we don’t have any official data yet from a hospital or a quote-unquote study, which will take weeks if not months.”

Again, it's just anecdotal. Anecdotally positive, yes, and that's why they are trialing it.

Sure,

And that Anecdotal evidence is coming from Doctors. So I'm willing to place more weight on their Anecdotal evidence than yours. Fair?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I would be interested to see this. My understanding is that the trials are blinded, meaning no one knows anything yet.

For every one of those anecdotal responses, there's also this response:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...isn-t-n1177556

No 'miraculous recovery': Some ICU doctors say hydroxychloroquine isn't helping sickest patients

Many doctors suspect that if the drug does turn out to be beneficial, it may work better early on in the course of the illness.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Chinese study omits a key component of the cocktail - the administration of the Z-pack (or any sort of full spectrum antibiotic) and there's some question as to whether or not they were utilizing supplemental zinc as well.

Present theory suggests that the HCL serves to effectively 'open' the cell and then allow zinc to enter the cells and slow/stop the replication of the virus (which is a known attribute of zinc). The Z-pack (or, in theory, most any full spectrum antibiotic) then serves to 'clean the streets' of any opportunistic bacterial infections that serve to spin the immune system into overdrive and continue to lead to negative progression.

It's the opposite. HCQ raises pH, which prevents endocytosis of the viron.

Azithromycin is a broad-spectrum antibiotic that also works against atypical pathogens. Not all broad-spectrums work against atypicals (or anaerobes for that matter). Not all broad-spectrum antibiotics penetrate the lung tissue adequately. Azithromycin is commonly used in CAP because it works against atypicals and achieves suitable concentrations in the lungs. It is widely distributed and has a long half-life so you don't need to dose several times per day. The potential benefit of azithromycin in this case may also be from its immunomodulatory effects--not because it is wiping out bacteria.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

When theres a vaccine who should we let start the thread for it? We can treat it like a game day thread since we might not have football.

You can have the honors!

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

This has been mostly unreadable for awhile. What else should we expect from a JakeF thread though?

He's probably related to Deberg.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Like I said you can wait for the trial to finish. I can be ahead of the curb. When you catch up to me no hard feelings.

So, you're unable to answer the primary question but have "belief" that this drug combo works?

Sorry, that doesn't even pass the Bullshit Test.

And we all know the reason you believe this to be "true".

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by stumppy

He's probably related to Deberg.

Quite likely

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Sure,

And that Anecdotal evidence is coming from Doctors. So I'm willing to place more weight on their Anecdotal evidence than yours. Fair?

My evidence? What are you talking about?

My position on this is and has been that there has not been a controlled trial of this completed yet. That's it. Therefore, I'm not pimping it. I hope that the results of the trial are positive. What will your reaction be if it is not?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

We're obviously at the cranky afternoon, given TLO's daily timeline.

I think I’m behind today so.......

HHS Announces Ventilator Contract with GM under Defense Production Act

This week, the Department of Health and Human Services announced the first contract for ventilator production rated under the Defense Production Act, to General Motors. GM’s contract, at a total contract price of $489.4 million, is for 30,000 ventilators to be delivered to the Strategic National Stockpile by the end of August 2020, with a production schedule allowing for the delivery of 6,132 ventilators by June 1, 2020.

https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2020/...ction-act.html

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Sure,

But that doesn't change the fact that they wouldn't be trialing the drug without a abundance of evidence no matter how anecdotal it was/is.

Plenty of trials of medications ultimately show they are ineffective, so that means they had a bundle of evidence that was incorrect?