***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And let me ask you this. People die from pneumonia every day which was caused by influenza, right?

If I called you today and said my spouse died, she was not feeling well, had been running a fever and a cough for the last week or so and had a heart attack are you going to assume Covid? As I understand it they aren't even testing that scenario they are just chalking it up to Covid when those very symptoms could have been influenza.

Do you not do 10 seconds of research before you spout off with your latest biased speculation?

That isn't how people of science operate. Coroners are only counting deaths as COVID19 related if there is a confirmed test. So many people who die of corona/flu symptoms, go untested and are not counted among the COVID19 death toll. Undoubtedly the corona death toll is under reported.

My 10 seconds of research:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/healt...nvs/index.html

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by cdcox

Do you not do 10 seconds of research before you spout off with your latest biased speculation?



That isn't how people of science operate. Coroners are only counting deaths as COVID19 related if there is a confirmed test. So many people who die of corona/flu symptoms, go untested and are not counted among the COVID19 death toll. Undoubtedly the corona death toll is under reported.



My 10 seconds of research:



https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/healt...nvs/index.html

But if someone is tested and comes back positive, then 10 days later dies, they are counted as a Covid death even if they would have died regardless. Saying you know for a fact the death toll is undercounted us as ridiculous as saying it's a fact that it is overcounted. We don't know. I'd GUESS it evens out in the end here in America. I'd also guess that in Italy the count is a bit over. This entire thing is complicated by the fact that the people dying are overwhelmingly at the far end of the spectrum. Elderly with underlying conditions are not necessarily long for this world as it is. That doesn't make it any less tragic that their lives were cut short even if that only means a matter of months instead of years.

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[PAChiefsGuy]

Dr. Fauci says US should be able to reopen schools in fall

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fau...school-in-fall

[Bugeater]

Good lord, I would hope so.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

If not, my wife will murder our kids.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

If not, my wife will murder our kids.

She wouldn't be the only one.

[Bugeater]

I don't see why we can't send their asses back in June. They had their summer vacation already.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Dr. Fauci says US should be able to reopen schools in fall

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fau...school-in-fall

uhm yeah


if not, I'd better see a refund for all of those school taxes I pay

[2112]

Originally Posted by loochy

uhm yeah


if not, I'd better see a refund for all of those school taxes I pay

Teachers are crying that they’re working harder now remotely than they were in the classrooms. That’s never gonna happen

[2112]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

I don't see why we can't send their asses back in June. They had their summer vacation already.

Over here they used snow days as a buffer during the transition to on line teaching. We haven’t had significant snow fall since February 2017

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Dr. Fauci says US should be able to reopen schools in fall

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fau...school-in-fall

There is something wrong with that guy.

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/jdvance1/status/...867210756?s=21

Pretty good thread read on everything

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

But if someone is tested and comes back positive, then 10 days later dies, they are counted as a Covid death even if they would have died regardless. Saying you know for a fact the death toll is undercounted us as ridiculous as saying it's a fact that it is overcounted. We don't know. I'd GUESS it evens out in the end here in America. I'd also guess that in Italy the count is a bit over. This entire thing is complicated by the fact that the people dying are overwhelmingly at the far end of the spectrum. Elderly with underlying conditions are not necessarily long for this world as it is. That doesn't make it any less tragic that their lives were cut short even if that only means a matter of months instead of years.

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I'd guess you are wrong, which is why every year confirmed cases of flu are lower than estimated deaths

It doesn't matter how old someone is, if Covid-19 contributed to their death, it is going on the death certificate as a contributing factor. This isnt any different than the way other conditions are documented on death certificates.

As for "natural causes", that is rarely going on a death certificate in the hospital, because in general contributing factors are known.

Sorry for belaboring the point, but it's tough for me to keep my mouth shut when this topic is being discussed

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by 2112

Teachers are crying that they’re working harder now remotely than they were in the classrooms. That’s never gonna happen

I would have thought they'd be happier not having to face the little hellions every day

[2112]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

I would have thought they'd be happier not having to face the little hellions every day

If the parents have questions it leads to dealing with 30-40 emails a night with follow ups. They didn’t have to do that when they were doing the classrooms