***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[arrowheadnation]

Went and bought a couple months worth of groceries on Friday. I'm not leaving the house until I run out (other than mowing). We gotta get this shit over with so we can lick our wounds and get back to some semblance of normal. Today I canceled a Vegas vacation that was originally scheduled for the last week in May and found out that the latest the f'ing airline would let us reschedule it is October 27 of this year (we wanted to reschedule to a year from now and Allegiant requires you to complete all rescheduled travel one year from the booking date, not one year from the travel date WTF?)....so on a selfish level and because I fear for the health of my traveling companions (my dad and uncle are over 70), hopefully things are back to normal by late October.

[Loneiguana]

What You Should Know Before You Need a Ventilator

it breaks my heart that Americans who get sick enough to need them won’t know what desperate situations they face, nor will they understand what ventilators can do to help, and what they can never fix.

As hard as the facts may be, knowledge will make us less afraid.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/o...gtype=Homepage

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Loneiguana

What You Should Know Before You Need a Ventilator

it breaks my heart that Americans who get sick enough to need them won’t know what desperate situations they face, nor will they understand what ventilators can do to help, and what they can never fix.

As hard as the facts may be, knowledge will make us less afraid.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/o...gtype=Homepage

Too bad the info is behind a pay wall.

Edit: Oops, it's just a registration wall.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Loneiguana

What You Should Know Before You Need a Ventilator

it breaks my heart that Americans who get sick enough to need them won’t know what desperate situations they face, nor will they understand what ventilators can do to help, and what they can never fix.

As hard as the facts may be, knowledge will make us less afraid.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/o...gtype=Homepage

An important article. Saw some data early on that the Chinese provided that 80% of patients who went on a ventilator did not survive. Eight years ago my dad was put on a ventilator. At first we felt some relief because him gasping for air had seemed so much more miserable and desperate. But the ventilator meant his body didn't have to work to get oxygen, and every day he became more dependent on it. After he had been on for awhile the discussions turned to if he did survive and somehow get off the damn thing, what would his quality of life be like? Full time care in a home for a guy that was still in his 60s? He didn't make it, and we never got to say goodbye. Just the thought of that machine evokes emotions, anger, and fear in me to this day.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

Went and bought a couple months worth of groceries on Friday. I'm not leaving the house until I run out (other than mowing). We gotta get this shit over with so we can lick our wounds and get back to some semblance of normal. Today I canceled a Vegas vacation that was originally scheduled for the last week in May and found out that the latest the f'ing airline would let us reschedule it is October 27 of this year (we wanted to reschedule to a year from now and Allegiant requires you to complete all rescheduled travel one year from the booking date, not one year from the travel date WTF?)....so on a selfish level and because I fear for the health of my traveling companions (my dad and uncle are over 70), hopefully things are back to normal by late October.

May as well wait until the NFL schedule comes out to rebook now.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

True that it isn't definitive. I think it's highly likely but that's mostly a guess.

What do you think the R0 for Covid-19 is? Actually, let me specify... what do you think the R0 factor in the US was before social distancing? My (complete guess here) thought is that it was around 3, possibly even 3.5.

On a related note, we have 310k+ confirmed cases, what do you think the actual number of cases is? I realize this is almost completely a guess.

I'd lean on the guesses of statisticians and epidemiologists. Nate Silver wrote a very in depth article about case load a few days ago. He put the R0 at 2.6 before distancing, but it was just a hypothesis based upon an average between WHO and the Imperial College of London's data. Case load is notoriously difficult to know (and highly dependent upon who is tested and how many). He put the US in the middle of the pack (Norway good, the UK a disaster). Anything there is just pulling numbers out of a hat.

[petegz28]

When did St. Louis go on lock down? Same time as KC?

[petegz28]

Well, according to the NY Times's tracker, the case growth in Kansas City has slowed a lot. Jackson County overall though not so much.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

I think the bottom line is anyone hoping for some quick miracle fix to this should watch a movie. It is simply going to take time for us to beat this which is why it is so important we practice social distancing so the peak isn't as bad as it could be because there is simply no way to stop this anytime soon we can only slow it down.

Watched I Am Legend last night... is that what you mean?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Watched I Am Legend last night... is that what you mean?

I think he means something more like War Of The Worlds. Just think being immune to all this shit saves us from alien invasions.

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

100K dead, a lot more will fight for their life but survive. We will all probably know someone before this is all over.

Where are you seeing this? All of the charts I’m seeing have the world well under 100,000 still. Are you just grasping onto the projections or where did you get that number from?

[petegz28]

NY's first report is 594 new deaths

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

Congress needs to pass legislation on it. No reason companies should be able to collect data on you without your knowing consent and sell it without you at least knowing where it is going at the minimum. Some think they should pay you when they sell it as well. Idk but I think we have the right to know where our data is and who's buying it.

Sent from my Pixel 3a using Tapatalk

Have you actually ever read the licensing agreements for software that you use, or do you just automatically click "Accept"? When you click "Accept", you gave your consent; you can't force people to actually read what they are signing digitally.

[RedRaider56]

Originally Posted by petegz28

NY's first report is 594 new deaths

But how many are really due to CV-19?

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/c...h6Dpa1NXMMkqEE

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by RedRaider56

But how many are really due to CV-19?

https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/c...h6Dpa1NXMMkqEE

This is rather irrelevant. If they are getting counted they are getting counted. Whether they should be or not I agree is a fair debate but right now it's rather irrelevant.