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Deberg_1990 · 12-17-2021, 07:27 AM

Says he’s sticking with his 4th down approach……..good for him.

Chargers coach Brandon Staley isn't changing his ways: He says he will continue to go for it on fourth down, even after three out of Los Angeles' five attempts Thursday night failed in a 34-28 overtime defeat to the Kansas City Chiefs.

"I felt really comfortable with all those decisions," Staley said after the loss, which dropped the Chargers two games behind the Chiefs in the AFC West standings with three to play. "That's the way we're going to play around here. That's the way we're going to play. When we have a quarterback like ours, and we have an offense like ours, that's the way we're going to play because that's how you need to play against Kansas City, for sure. That's how we're going to become the team that we're ultimately capable of being, by playing that way."

The Chargers entered the game 13 for 21 on fourth downs this season, giving them the fourth-most conversions in the league. Their conversion percentage (61.9) was tied for eighth best in the NFL.

Two of Los Angeles' failed attempts to convert came inside the Kansas City 5, and another was on the edge of field goal range. The Chargers became the first team to fail twice on fourth-and-goal in a first half since the 1984 Chargers did the same -- also against the Chiefs -- 37 years ago to the day (Dec. 16, 1984).

Quarterback Justin Herbert said he stands by his coach and his decisions on fourth down.

"It's always tough and you'd love to be able to convert those," Herbert said. "I think we need to be better on third downs so that we're not in those situations, but we believe in each other. We believe in the guys in that locker room and that huddle, and we believe in the defense. I think that's a statement of trusting everyone on the field and off the field, as well. We love to be put in those situations. Unfortunately, we didn't convert as many as we would've liked to have today, but we're going to ride with each other and we're going to be right back."

With Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill on the other sideline, Staley and his coaching staff realized no lead would be safe until the clock ran out. That's why they never stopped trying to score in all situations: Only the very last of the Chargers' 10 drives ended in a punt.

"It's life in the NFL, in decision-making like that. ... I know that the quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns, not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side," Staley said. "When you don't feel like it's a gamble, when you feel like this is an advantage for you, then that's going to be our mindset. And I don't think that any decision that we made tonight, that I made tonight, was a gamble. We felt like it was an advantage situation for us, and that's why we did it.''

Herbert and his teammates came agonizingly close to proving Staley correct.

Donald Parham seriously injured himself while coming down just out of bounds with a catch in the back of the end zone on the Chargers' failed fourth down from the Kansas City 5 on the game's opening drive.

Four drives later on the final snap of the first half, Herbert was in the shotgun on fourth down from the Kansas City 1 -- but Daniel Sorensen got his hand on a quick out to Keenan Allen, wiping out a potential TD pass and leaving the Chargers' halftime lead at only 14-10 despite 208 yards of offense on five solid drives.

The Chargers' only drive of the third quarter ended at the Kansas City 28 when Herbert and Jared Cook couldn't connect on a fourth-and-2 pass. Cook also dropped a probable touchdown pass on second down during that final drive before halftime.

After Thursday's game, the Chargers have now gone for it on fourth down 29.9% of the time this season. That's the highest rate for any team since the 2007 Jacksonville Jaguars (30.0%).

"We felt like it was an advantage situation for us," Staley explained. "That's why we did it. If we didn't feel like that was the case, then we would have kicked a field goal or we would have punted. That's the way that we're going to do things around here. I know that our team embraces that mindset. We're going to continue to do it every game we play moving forward."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...way-going-play

"The quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side."

Chargers coach Brandon Staley on being aggressive on 4th down against the Chiefs. pic.twitter.com/4mskizFo2J
— CBS Sports HQ (@CBSSportsHQ) December 17, 2021

MarkDavis'Haircut · 12-24-2021, 08:35 PM

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Reported, btw.

And on Christmas Eve to boot.

**DaFace** · 12-24-2021, 08:45 PM

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And on Christmas Eve to boot.

Already taken care of. Made for lots of drama.

Megatron96 · 12-24-2021, 10:45 PM

Actually I think he might turn out to be a pretty good HC. Okay yeah, he definitely made a mistake not kicking at least one FG instead of going for it 4 times in a row. That was dumb. But he's also the youngest HC in the league, I think. In his first HC position. He's bound to make some mistakes early. But let's be honest, the first time he coached against KC, he won using the same strategy. It's pretty darned aggressive for a defensive coach. He'll never be Vic Fangio, that's for certain. This guy has no problem taking chances.

IF, and that's still a big "IF," he learns from these mistakes, he could end up being a pretty successful coach in this league, imo.

Chieftain · 12-24-2021, 11:00 PM

Maybe it's just me but the guy looks and sounds like a leprechaun. Doesn't have that imposing presence that earns your respect. The great coaches in the league need to have that. I could see him have a Norv Turner type career where he sort of hangs around and bounces from team to team.

Chris Meck · 12-25-2021, 08:25 AM

I could see going for it the first time, not knowing if the Chiefs were going to score at will.

By the time the game had settled in and it was obvious that we were struggling, he should've started just taking the points.

By the time we caught fire it would've been too late.

He did not adjust to the flow of the game. Too rigid. It's the same thing as the coaches that NEVER take chances. You have to have a feel for your guys and the flow.

RunKC · 12-25-2021, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I could see going for it the first time, not knowing if the Chiefs were going to score at will.

By the time the game had settled in and it was obvious that we were struggling, he should've started just taking the points.

By the time we caught fire it would've been too late.

He did not adjust to the flow of the game. Too rigid. It's the same thing as the coaches that NEVER take chances. You have to have a feel for your guys and the flow.

I think he called the right game but they didn’t execute. They had 14 points that they bobbled and the play calls completely caught us off guard.

We’ll I guess the first one the guy got knocked out so that’s not technically anybodys fault

BWillie · 12-25-2021, 10:16 AM

I dont know if hes a good coach or not yet. His offense does seem well suited for Herbert and helps get him some easy yards on 1st and 2nd downs (Herbert hasn't been a great 3rd down QB so far). I love that he goes for it and understands possessions are undervalued currently in football but coaches really shouldn't be making these decisions. If I was a coach I would have a couple situational analytical people to tell me what the win probability of each potential decision and only pick the decisions that maximizes win percentage (like duh obviously) but still too many coaches shoot from the hip. Because if they didnt, EVERY above avg offense should go for two in the first half and no coaches are doing this yet.

MarkDavis'Haircut · 12-25-2021, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Already taken care of. Made for lots of drama.

Modding is a 24/7/366 job.

ThyKingdomCome15 · 12-25-2021, 11:46 AM

I like him. You only have to shoot 50% on 4th and goal to break a little more than even.

staylor26 · 12-27-2021, 06:45 PM

That loss yesterday isn’t looking good at all from a coaching perspective.

Deberg_1990 · 12-27-2021, 06:50 PM

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That loss yesterday isn’t looking good at all from a coaching perspective.

No sh*t. That’s bad. Contenders don’t lose to bottom feeders in December. Just should not happen.

CasselGotPeedOn · 12-27-2021, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

No sh*t. That’s bad. Contenders don’t lose to bottom feeders in December. Just should not happen.

What about Herbert?

Red Dawg · 12-27-2021, 07:11 PM

Too young. There is nothing great about him. He was a star DC when he had the Rams guys and now his defense sucks. Why was he hired? Because of what? What the hell did he do to make them think he was a great fresh football mind? I hope they keep him because he knows jack shit.

Red Dawg · 12-27-2021, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CasselGotPeedOn

What about Herbert?

For a QB the media says is so great he does lose alot. Not all on him of course. There are two sides to the team but I know this much. Mahomes gets no break no matter what from the media. We lose a game and it's his fault. Period.

lcarus · 12-27-2021, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Analytics don't take intangible factors into account. In baseball, I think maybe they're more
dependable. In football, emotion plays such a role, especially as the game wears on and guys are tired.

Stacking 3's when The Chiefs were playing poorly on offense was the smart move and I don't care what the analytics say. To get nothing after driving all the way down inside the 10 multiple times kept The Chiefs in the game and had to demoralize both his offense and his defense.

I think it depends on the down and distance too. When it was 4th and 5, the field goal was a chipshot, and the game was still early, he probably should've just attempted the field goal. If it's 4th and half a yard, I'm in favor of going for that almost every time.

12-17-2021, 07:27 AM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Deberg_1990's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx.	Your assessment of Brandon Staley Says he’s sticking with his 4th down approach……..good for him. Chargers coach Brandon Staley isn't changing his ways: He says he will continue to go for it on fourth down, even after three out of Los Angeles' five attempts Thursday night failed in a 34-28 overtime defeat to the Kansas City Chiefs. "I felt really comfortable with all those decisions," Staley said after the loss, which dropped the Chargers two games behind the Chiefs in the AFC West standings with three to play. "That's the way we're going to play around here. That's the way we're going to play. When we have a quarterback like ours, and we have an offense like ours, that's the way we're going to play because that's how you need to play against Kansas City, for sure. That's how we're going to become the team that we're ultimately capable of being, by playing that way." The Chargers entered the game 13 for 21 on fourth downs this season, giving them the fourth-most conversions in the league. Their conversion percentage (61.9) was tied for eighth best in the NFL. Two of Los Angeles' failed attempts to convert came inside the Kansas City 5, and another was on the edge of field goal range. The Chargers became the first team to fail twice on fourth-and-goal in a first half since the 1984 Chargers did the same -- also against the Chiefs -- 37 years ago to the day (Dec. 16, 1984). Quarterback Justin Herbert said he stands by his coach and his decisions on fourth down. "It's always tough and you'd love to be able to convert those," Herbert said. "I think we need to be better on third downs so that we're not in those situations, but we believe in each other. We believe in the guys in that locker room and that huddle, and we believe in the defense. I think that's a statement of trusting everyone on the field and off the field, as well. We love to be put in those situations. Unfortunately, we didn't convert as many as we would've liked to have today, but we're going to ride with each other and we're going to be right back." With Patrick Mahomes and Tyreek Hill on the other sideline, Staley and his coaching staff realized no lead would be safe until the clock ran out. That's why they never stopped trying to score in all situations: Only the very last of the Chargers' 10 drives ended in a punt. "It's life in the NFL, in decision-making like that. ... I know that the quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns, not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side," Staley said. "When you don't feel like it's a gamble, when you feel like this is an advantage for you, then that's going to be our mindset. And I don't think that any decision that we made tonight, that I made tonight, was a gamble. We felt like it was an advantage situation for us, and that's why we did it.'' Herbert and his teammates came agonizingly close to proving Staley correct. Donald Parham seriously injured himself while coming down just out of bounds with a catch in the back of the end zone on the Chargers' failed fourth down from the Kansas City 5 on the game's opening drive. Four drives later on the final snap of the first half, Herbert was in the shotgun on fourth down from the Kansas City 1 -- but Daniel Sorensen got his hand on a quick out to Keenan Allen, wiping out a potential TD pass and leaving the Chargers' halftime lead at only 14-10 despite 208 yards of offense on five solid drives. The Chargers' only drive of the third quarter ended at the Kansas City 28 when Herbert and Jared Cook couldn't connect on a fourth-and-2 pass. Cook also dropped a probable touchdown pass on second down during that final drive before halftime. After Thursday's game, the Chargers have now gone for it on fourth down 29.9% of the time this season. That's the highest rate for any team since the 2007 Jacksonville Jaguars (30.0%). "We felt like it was an advantage situation for us," Staley explained. "That's why we did it. If we didn't feel like that was the case, then we would have kicked a field goal or we would have punted. That's the way that we're going to do things around here. I know that our team embraces that mindset. We're going to continue to do it every game we play moving forward." https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...way-going-play "The quickest way to win a game like that is to score touchdowns not field goals, especially considering who's on the other side." Chargers coach Brandon Staley on being aggressive on 4th down against the Chiefs. pic.twitter.com/4mskizFo2J — CBS Sports HQ (@CBSSportsHQ) December 17, 2021
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Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Megatron96's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Phoenix, AZ	Actually I think he might turn out to be a pretty good HC. Okay yeah, he definitely made a mistake not kicking at least one FG instead of going for it 4 times in a row. That was dumb. But he's also the youngest HC in the league, I think. In his first HC position. He's bound to make some mistakes early. But let's be honest, the first time he coached against KC, he won using the same strategy. It's pretty darned aggressive for a defensive coach. He'll never be Vic Fangio, that's for certain. This guy has no problem taking chances. IF, and that's still a big "IF," he learns from these mistakes, he could end up being a pretty successful coach in this league, imo.
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Chieftain Fan since 1997 Chieftain's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2018	Maybe it's just me but the guy looks and sounds like a leprechaun. Doesn't have that imposing presence that earns your respect. The great coaches in the league need to have that. I could see him have a Norv Turner type career where he sort of hangs around and bounces from team to team.
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12-25-2021, 08:25 AM	#155
Chris Meck MVP Chris Meck's Avatar Join Date: May 2001 Location: midtown KC	I could see going for it the first time, not knowing if the Chiefs were going to score at will. By the time the game had settled in and it was obvious that we were struggling, he should've started just taking the points. By the time we caught fire it would've been too late. He did not adjust to the flow of the game. Too rigid. It's the same thing as the coaches that NEVER take chances. You have to have a feel for your guys and the flow.
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BWillie El Gato Gordo Loco BWillie's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Earth	I dont know if hes a good coach or not yet. His offense does seem well suited for Herbert and helps get him some easy yards on 1st and 2nd downs (Herbert hasn't been a great 3rd down QB so far). I love that he goes for it and understands possessions are undervalued currently in football but coaches really shouldn't be making these decisions. If I was a coach I would have a couple situational analytical people to tell me what the win probability of each potential decision and only pick the decisions that maximizes win percentage (like duh obviously) but still too many coaches shoot from the hip. Because if they didnt, EVERY above avg offense should go for two in the first half and no coaches are doing this yet.
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ThyKingdomCome15 MVP ThyKingdomCome15's Avatar Join Date: Jun 2019	I like him. You only have to shoot 50% on 4th and goal to break a little more than even.
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staylor26 In Search of a Life staylor26's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2007	That loss yesterday isn’t looking good at all from a coaching perspective.
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Red Dawg Going home eventually Red Dawg's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2002	Too young. There is nothing great about him. He was a star DC when he had the Rams guys and now his defense sucks. Why was he hired? Because of what? What the hell did he do to make them think he was a great fresh football mind? I hope they keep him because he knows jack shit.
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