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**Rain Man** · 03-22-2009, 12:15 AM

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

Hoover · 05-02-2009, 10:09 AM

He Rainman did you get my request for wanting the Des Moines team?

bdeg · 05-02-2009, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Two thoughts:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Just a thought: what would people think about this option? Using the NFL draft value chart, you can trade up or down by paying a premium of 15 percent. In other words, you can trade up if you pay at least 15 percent more than the stated value of the draft, or you can trade down if you accept 85 percent of the stated value of the picks you're losing. And any trades have to be with one other NFL team, not a combination. If we did this, I think we'd have to not allow trades using future year picks since there's no third-party table of those values. If people like it, let's do it, but otherwise I'm not hard-core about it.

I'd love to be able to trade around

ArrowheadHawk · 05-02-2009, 10:28 AM

1. The Winston-Salem Warlocks accept the Cassel/Vrable trade.
2. The Winston-Salem Warlocks reject the Tony Gonzalez trade.
3. The Winston-Salem Warlocks reject the 2009 7th Round pick for the 2010 7th Round pick trade.

The 2009 Winston-Salem Warlocks Draft:

#3 - Curry, Aaron OLB Wake Forest
#67 - Tate, Brandon WR North Carolina
#102 - Washington, Donald CB Ohio State
#139 - Bomar, Rhett QB Sam Houston State
#175 - Gardner, Andrew OT Georgia Tech
#212 - Richard, Darryl DT Georgia Tech
#256 - Reed, Nick DE Oregon

**Rain Man** · 05-02-2009, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover

He Rainman did you get my request for wanting the Des Moines team?

Oh. Sorry. You're in. And because of our error, we'll also grant you exclusive TV rights to Iowa City for the 2009 season.

**Rain Man** · 05-02-2009, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

I'd love to be able to trade around

Do we have a second? (Robert's Rules of Order.)

ArrowheadHawk · 05-02-2009, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Do we have a second? (Robert's Rules of Order.)

Sounds good to me.

chiefscafan · 05-02-2009, 10:56 AM

LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade
LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade
LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th

LA Cobras Draft:

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

chiefscafan · 05-02-2009, 10:59 AM

Damn only kept one chief pick oh well it fell that way

**Rain Man** · 05-02-2009, 11:07 AM

Actually, I just realized that the trade down option won't work. The only players you can pick are those that are below you, so if we allow trade downs, people will always trade down to the point where they can get the player they want. So we can't trade down (or if we do, it'd have to be a huge premium to do so, maybe 30 to 40 percent).

Trade ups wouldn't be a problem, though.

How about we either allow ONLY trade ups, or trade ups at a 15 percent cost and trade downs at a 35 percent cost, and only one trade down per year?

bdeg · 05-02-2009, 05:52 PM

True, the whole hindsight w/ knowing how long the guy you'd have taken would last does make it too easy to trade down and get your guy. I just figured we'd all have that advantage so it'd at least be even. But this will keep it more realistic, I think those are both good solutions.

**Rain Man** · 05-02-2009, 06:49 PM

Let's go with the rules that I'm posting in the original thread. I think it's a reasonable compromise.

bdeg · 05-03-2009, 06:29 PM

Any chance I could talk you out of the limit? It's a little frustrating when the 2 players you want at the top have the pick value of far less than the discounted #3 but it's impossible to work a single trade. Or possibly allow one trade up and one trade down?

not a big deal though, just tough to give up on a perfect scenario.

**Rain Man** · 05-03-2009, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bdeg

Any chance I could talk you out of the limit? It's a little frustrating when the 2 players you want at the top have the pick value of far less than the discounted #3 but it's impossible to work a single trade. Or possibly allow one trade up and one trade down?

not a big deal though, just tough to give up on a perfect scenario.

Eh, I'm not wed to anything. I just want to be sure that we don't create a system that gets onerous for the more casual players.

Anyone else want to weigh in?

**Rain Man** · 05-10-2009, 01:51 PM

Okay, people, if you want to ever be known as a draft guru or GM guru, you HAVE to participate. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Get rolling on this.

bdeg · 05-10-2009, 03:06 PM

does the 2nd pick of the 4th round have a 108 or 92 point value? im guessing 92(going by 102 overall) but correct me if i'm wrong

03-22-2009, 12:15 AM
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years. 1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now. Spoiler! Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon. The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting. Here's how the game will work. Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.) Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly. Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub". Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285. Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues. Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player. There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap. I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting. So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team. Teams As Of Post #113: Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox) Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333) Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman) Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon) Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover) Duluth Normans (Rain Man) El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz) Fargo Rape (SNR) Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good) Fresno Refugees (Adam) Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter) Hartford Manticores (Crush) Honolulu Craters (Sully) Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu) Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser) Little Rock Reapers (doomy3) Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan) Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis) Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut) Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka) Omaha Streakers (speak24) Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry) Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72) San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog) Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg) Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23) Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts) Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1) Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie) Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk) Worcester Sauce (unothadeal) Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM..*
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05-02-2009, 10:09 AM	#151
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Hoover's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000	He Rainman did you get my request for wanting the Des Moines team?
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05-02-2009, 10:56 AM	#157
chiefscafan Veteran chiefscafan's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA	LA Cobras accept Vrabel and cassel trade LA Cobras accept tony Gonzalez trade LA Cobras accept trade of 2010 7th for 2009 7th LA Cobras Draft: #3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers) #67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears) #102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys) #139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles) #175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins) #212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers) #237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers) #256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)
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05-02-2009, 10:59 AM	#158
chiefscafan Veteran chiefscafan's Avatar Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA	Damn only kept one chief pick oh well it fell that way
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05-02-2009, 11:07 AM	#159
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	Actually, I just realized that the trade down option won't work. The only players you can pick are those that are below you, so if we allow trade downs, people will always trade down to the point where they can get the player they want. So we can't trade down (or if we do, it'd have to be a huge premium to do so, maybe 30 to 40 percent). Trade ups wouldn't be a problem, though. How about we either allow ONLY trade ups, or trade ups at a 15 percent cost and trade downs at a 35 percent cost, and only one trade down per year?
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bdeg Veteran bdeg's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa	True, the whole hindsight w/ knowing how long the guy you'd have taken would last does make it too easy to trade down and get your guy. I just figured we'd all have that advantage so it'd at least be even. But this will keep it more realistic, I think those are both good solutions. Last edited by bdeg; 05-02-2009 at 06:25 PM..
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05-02-2009, 06:49 PM	#161
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	Let's go with the rules that I'm posting in the original thread. I think it's a reasonable compromise.
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05-03-2009, 06:29 PM	#162
bdeg Veteran bdeg's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa	Any chance I could talk you out of the limit? It's a little frustrating when the 2 players you want at the top have the pick value of far less than the discounted #3 but it's impossible to work a single trade. Or possibly allow one trade up and one trade down? not a big deal though, just tough to give up on a perfect scenario. Last edited by bdeg; 05-03-2009 at 06:44 PM..
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05-10-2009, 01:51 PM	#164
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Rain Man's Avatar Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house	Okay, people, if you want to ever be known as a draft guru or GM guru, you HAVE to participate. No ifs, ands, or buts. Get rolling on this.
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05-10-2009, 03:06 PM	#165
bdeg Veteran bdeg's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: iowa	does the 2nd pick of the 4th round have a 108 or 92 point value? im guessing 92(going by 102 overall) but correct me if i'm wrong
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