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Gotta give to get and their catcher situation was attrocius. Nola has actually developed into a good player, older but good. When you have a stacked system you have moves to make. And for the record I'd have probably taken that deal for Perez. |
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08-30-2020, 11:25 PM | #1578 | |
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There's no doubt, the Royals just haven't been good at developing young hitters quickly for some reason. At least under DM, it seems like guys don't really get it together until 26 or so. Gordon and Moose really struggled for years... Hosmer probably figured it out around 25ish. Cain didn't really click until he was like 28-29 years old, but he was definitely raw when they traded for him. I have no idea why it always takes so long. Some of that is just baseball, but you'd think one of these guys would click early on. |
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08-31-2020, 06:47 AM | #1579 | |
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Those guys all were international signees who started playing pro ball at 16. They dominated at AA and AAA. Some players are ready, some aren’t. But rushing a guy who hasn’t played above rookie ball (and the weird summer camp/extended ST) is a great way to break their developmental curve. I think they’ll start Witt aggressively next year (High A or AA) and have him up potentially by midseason or even September. But one of the reasons Mondesi is struggling so much is that the Royals rushed his development and called him up too soon. Let’s not do that again... |
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08-31-2020, 07:23 AM | #1580 |
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Another thing to remember is a lot of teams that have seen success with young players, let them stay in the minors longer.
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08-31-2020, 09:22 AM | #1581 |
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Padres getting Mike Clevinger. How the hell do the Indians find so many pitchers that they can afford to part with someone like Clevinger? He'd be the ace of our staff. I'm crossing my fingers we finally have something among the group of guys like Singer, Bubic, Kowar, Lynch, Lacy, Keller, and some of the younger guys.
I also hope we finally can have a steady stream of 1-2 guys coming up each year. For one, we don't have all of our prospects on the same timeline and all leaving at once like we did the last time around. Also, in 3-4 years we might have the luxury of trading someone like Singer or Bubic to keep the pipeline flowing. |
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08-31-2020, 09:46 AM | #1582 | |
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Josh Naylor and Cal Quantrill isn't a "great return" Quantrill had been relegated to the pen and Naylor has been a marginal starter to this point. But they're MLB players with a lot of years of control. Austin Hedges so far has shown he can't hit at all and honestly they got Arias, that's probably the best get but so far he's a big time glove SS that has to develop as a hitter. The Padres are moving their surplus they've built for legit players, They managed to keep a hold of Hassell, Abrams, Campusano, Gore, Pattino etc so their farm system is still pretty good after these deals. |
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08-31-2020, 09:47 AM | #1583 |
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If you're not mortgaging your future to make the playoffs in a shortened season with expanded field are you really even GM'ing?
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08-31-2020, 09:52 AM | #1584 | |
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They kept almost all of their top prospects...Arias was #9 he's a SS where he gonna play? Trammel was 5 I think and he's divisive as a prospect 3 teams in a year now. Their system is super deep and loaded so they mortgaged nothing, they didn't trade Mackenzie Gore and CJ Abrams. |
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08-31-2020, 10:27 AM | #1585 |
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It's interesting to watch Indians fans be super pissed off...we had the best rotation in baseball with Lindor for 5 years and won jack shit, awesome back to rebuilding.
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08-31-2020, 10:33 AM | #1586 |
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If I was an Indians fan i would be incensed.
Yeah, they’ve had a good run. But they never pushed in for the pieces to win it, and they have gone into a perpetual reload mode the past two years. Pussy shit. Re: Padres they’ve made all these moves exclusively from depth perspectives. It’s impressive work. And the pieces they’ve acquired haven’t been rentals for this year only. Clevinger gives them a frontline guy to pair with Paddack and Gore and Luis Patino loving forward. They’re loaded to the gills with talent and will be the Dodgers main competitor for a long time. |
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08-31-2020, 10:36 AM | #1587 | |
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The Pads have 4 elite prospects and moved none of them, they moved their most divisive top 10 guy and the rest of them are fringe top 100 guys which also makes them sit on that fringe in the Padres rankings... If you told me they would bolster their pen, fix their attrocius catching situation and land an ace pitcher and the biggest thing they'd give up is Taylor Trammel, I'd have probably laughed in your face. |
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08-31-2020, 10:44 AM | #1588 | |
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This is why the Royals aren’t trading Whit Merrifield. Any package for him is going to be LESS than what the Indians just got for Clevinger... and I’m not sure I’d be real excited about the exact same return for Whit. There are a lot of pieces but the best one of them is super high variance and a top 75-100 prospect at best. |
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08-31-2020, 10:46 AM | #1589 | |
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The Royals don't have the best track record of developing athletes into hitters even though they draft athletes all the time. |
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08-31-2020, 11:02 AM | #1590 |
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I'm not even sure what the point of these trades are anymore. You're talking about a legitimate top shelf pitcher with 2+ years of control and they didn't get a single top prospect from one of the best farm systems in baseball. The Indians are smart so I'm sure they're going to get develop some of these guys into quality players, with six players coming back some of them will contribute. But still, were any of these Padres even in the top 100? I don't think so. That's hard to believe.
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