***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Donger

That's a different scenario, though. If she weren't wearing gloves and a mask, and had done the same things you described (sans removing the gloves and mask), I don't see why her risk of infection would go up or down. It would be the same.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, mind you.

I think you just answered your question. Wearing the gloves gave her a false sense of security so her caution went out the window and she made mistakes. She also doesnt realize she is contaminating her hands using an improper method of glove removal. These things will then increase her risk of infection rather than not wearing gloves at all.

[eDave]

Originally Posted by Donger

Seriously though, this is the sort of thing that keeps us from a complete lockdown. Peeps here want to be outside. Our days inside are coming with summer. This is the part of the year people move here for. This is the time of year we have backyard parties, etc.

Gov. knows this and is taking a very measured approach. I know Lewdog doesn't like this and I won't bemoan that at all. But I like what I am seeing here.

Found meat finally too. Still no TP or tissue.

[FloridaMan88]

Great, Miami-Dade County now requiring grocery stores to limit customers in their stores to 50% of their normal capacity.

Unintended consequences... people will now wait in long lines outside (probably not standing six feet apart) and in the heat and other weather conditions for potentially prolonged periods of time.

[Titty Meat]

Kamal Ahmed
✔
@bbckamal
Health secretary @MattHancock says govt is looking at issuing certificates or wrist bands to those who have had Covid-19 and could have a degree of immunity #bbcqt Says can’t happen now, but could be for the future

[Rain Man]

(Sigh.) In a non-Covid world I would be checking into my hotel in Queens right now, getting ready to take the ferry to New Jersey to run the Asbury Park half-marathon this weekend. The reminders are popping up on my calendar now.

(Sigh.)

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Kamal Ahmed
✔
@bbckamal
Health secretary @MattHancock says govt is looking at issuing certificates or wrist bands to those who have had Covid-19 and could have a degree of immunity #bbcqt Says can’t happen now, but could be for the future

Sounds like I better start producing fakes on the black market for an infinite amount of money.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by eDave

Seriously though, this is the sort of thing that keeps us from a complete lockdown. Peeps here want to be outside. Our days inside are coming with summer. This is the part of the year people move here for. This is the time of year we have backyard parties, etc.

Gov. knows this and is taking a very measured approach. I know Lewdog doesn't like this and I won't bemoan that at all. But I like what I am seeing here.

Found meat finally too. Still no TP or tissue.

yeah same here. In about 2-3 weeks it’s going to feel like 105 degrees outside for 4-5 months. Getting people out of the parks is turning out to be an issue.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by jdubya

I think you just answered your question. Wearing the gloves gave her a false sense of security so her caution went out the window and she made mistakes. She also doesnt realize she is contaminating her hands using an improper method of glove removal. These things will then increase her risk of infection rather than not wearing gloves at all.

No, I didn't. You don't know that she would have done anything differently or had more caution if she weren't wearing gloves or a mask.

She would have touched her keys. Same result.

She would have touched her car doors. Same result.

And so on. I get that if she had followed proper procedure, she could have decreased her likelihood of infection, but sorry, I don't see the increase.

Please understand. I'm not trying to be difficult. Heck, I posted the precautions I take (and have) in this very thread.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Kamal Ahmed
✔
@bbckamal
Health secretary @MattHancock says govt is looking at issuing certificates or wrist bands to those who have had Covid-19 and could have a degree of immunity #bbcqt Says can’t happen now, but could be for the future

This is the dumbest idea ever.

[petegz28]

NYC in and we are still under 1k new deaths.....progress

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

(Sigh.) In a non-Covid world I would be checking into my hotel in Queens right now, getting ready to take the ferry to New Jersey to run the Asbury Park half-marathon this weekend. The reminders are popping up on my calendar now.

(Sigh.)

My wife would be flying to NO Saturday for a conference.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by petegz28

NYC in and we are still under 1k new deaths.....progress

What?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

yeah same here. In about 2-3 weeks it’s going to feel like 105 degrees outside for 4-5 months. Getting people out of the parks is turning out to be an issue.

Think about how many homes are going to be running the AC during peak daytime hours when people were typically at work.

Or how many homes don't even have great AC to begin with.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

My wife would be flying to NO Saturday for a conference.

WTF are they having a conference for?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

What?

NYC has had a tendency to knock the number of new deaths up significantly in the evenings. Yesterday we were over 1k new deaths. Today it appears we will be under that