***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[O.city]

University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine announced that the vaccine, when tested in mice, produces antibodies specific to the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 that could be enough to fight off the virus. https://t.co/kS718NLwMU

— TribLIVE.com (@TribLIVE) April 2, 2020

We may get lucky and be a little ahead on this one since we had worked on Mers and Sars.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

i don’t get the “ initial hit has to do with how bad it gets” line.

Maybe I don’t understand enough about viruses but don’t they just multiply once they start infecting you?

If your body has no immune system, yes.

But if your body does, their ability to multiply depends on how many 'living soldiers' they have left, so to speak.

So to put it in military terms, if the virus shows up at the gates with an overwhelming show of force and immediately flattens your front lines, the front lines have done little to slow them, they march through the middle, pick up supplies and strengthen and then beat the holy shit out of your reserve troops before ransacking the city.

If, however, the virus shows up with a much smaller force, your front lines battle it hard. In this scenario they eventually lose and you still have the virus penetrating the front and coming through your middle, but in the process your reserves have rallied, they show up and they squash the remaining troops before they can get to the city.

What your body is able to do EARLY in the infection seems to have a role in how your body handles it. When getting smoked with initial high viral loads, the body is either breaking down completely or trying to spin into overdrive and creating those cyotkine storms that are ****ing up peoples lungs. But if you're hit with a relatively small/moderate dose, your body's early response gives it a strong fighting chance. The body doesn't respond with a cytokine storm (I dunno...the equivalent of throwing a tactical nuke in the middle of the field) but rather uses its reserves to put down what's left of the virus.

Clear as mud?

[Cntrygal]

Originally Posted by Cntrygal

Our bars, restaurants etc are closed to public seating (some restaurants are doing takeout/curbside delivery etc). The parks/playgrounds are closed and they're recommending no gatherings above 10 and those should be people that you live with. All concerts/events have been cancelled through April.


SD: 129 cases
Recovered: 51
Hospitalized: 12
Deaths: 2

My county (Pennington) has had 2 of those cases so far (1 recovered).

The other day I got yelled at by some old bat because we didn't have the big biscuit Shredded Wheat in stock.

FFS... First toilet paper and now Shredded Wheat?!?!?!

24 hour update:South Dakota
Cases: 165
Recovered: 57
Hospitalized: 17
Deaths: 2

My county (Pennington) has had 6 of those cases so far (1 recovered).

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Man I hope that is right. KC instituted thier lock down what 2 weeks ago?

https://www-kmbc-com.cdn.ampproject....ues%2F32010229

[SAUTO]

Yeah clear as mud lmao

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Man I hope that is right. KC instituted thier lock down what 2 weeks ago?

It's hard to really know, people around me are saying they know people with symptoms yet no one can get tested unless they're dying so they don't count in numbers.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's hard to really know, people around me are saying they know people with symptoms yet no one can get tested unless they're dying so they don't count in numbers.

So once again we don’t actually know anything

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If your body has no immune system, yes.

But if your body does, their ability to multiply depends on how many 'living soldiers' they have left, so to speak.

So to put it in military terms, if the virus shows up at the gates with an overwhelming show of force and immediately flattens your front lines, the front lines have done little to slow them, they march through the middle, pick up supplies and strengthen and then beat the holy shit out of your reserve troops before ransacking the city.

If, however, the virus shows up with a much smaller force, your front lines battle it hard. In this scenario they eventually lose and you still have the virus penetrating the front and coming through your middle, but in the process your reserves have rallied, they show up and they squash the remaining troops before they can get to the city.

What your body is able to do EARLY in the infection seems to have a role in how your body handles it. When getting smoked with initial high viral loads, the body is either breaking down completely or trying to spin into overdrive and creating those cyotkine storms that are ****ing up peoples lungs. But if you're hit with a relatively small/moderate dose, your body's early response gives it a strong fighting chance. The body doesn't respond with a cytokine storm (I dunno...the equivalent of throwing a tactical nuke in the middle of the field) but rather uses its reserves to put down what's left of the virus.

Clear as mud?

Right now, my body is the Western Front in WWI?

Because I've had the same symptoms for almost two weeks with no change for the better or worse.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Mo is not even in the top 20 of cases. In fact, KMBC had an article this morning stating that as hospitals gear up, the virus itself is trending down in the KC metro area.

That's because the testing is way behind...I know of at least 10 people in my town alone that have all the symptoms and couldn't be tested, were given inhalers and told to stay home.

I think the numbers of people that actually have it are wayyyy more than what's being reported.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

So once again we don’t actually know anything

Pretty much, if I was guessing I'd say the number of people that actually have it is staggeringly high.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Mecca

It's hard to really know, people around me are saying they know people with symptoms yet no one can get tested unless they're dying so they don't count in numbers.

It has been like that everywhere especially in MO. Prior to the testing relaxation rules last week in order to get tested you had to have a doctor ask, along with 3-4 symptoms and you had to know if you encountered someone that already tested positive. So basically it was near impossible to get a test in MO.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Yeah clear as mud lmao

Like Monticore said, it's a working theory with a lot more study to be accepted as fact.

But its intuitive as hell. If you do don't fall down by 24 points in the first quarter, it makes a comeback in the 2nd half a damn sight easier.

Not everybody has a Mahomes under center.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Well NAPA just called and said they are having no new shipments to the warehouse. No shipping between warehouses. Basically said when the kc warehouse is out they are out and closing...

Hmmm, I wonder if Balkamp decided to lock her down for the time being, (which would neuter most of the parts you use) or if GPC itself made the call out of Atlanta?

[Mecca]

For anyone wondering where I live, I basically live in far north eastern independence, you know the nice part lol.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Couple weeks ago. You can go see my posts in bayon's thread in DC where I was pointing out on almost a daily basis that we were dropping. Probably could even find some in this thread. Probably even find some of you ridiculing me for pointing it out as well.

I don't see you mentioning it higher than 1% in that thread. I do see you saying a lot of other things, though.