Call Your Shot: Who's the Chiefs first pick?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Womble

A lot of what you've listed were supposedly Skyy Moore's attributes.

In McConkey's best ever season as a WR where he clearly was the WR1 he had just 250 more receiving yards than the ****ing running back. You can talk all you want about separation etc but I've heard it all before with our other shitty WRs who apparently get separation but Mahomes needs to be better. If he was first round pick worthy he would have been a much more important piece to that offense. I also don't care how good Bowers is..our 1st round WR will be going to a team with the GOAT tight end and there still should be the expectation that they should outperform him in yardage in their 2nd year, like Tyreek did. If he's second fiddle to a college tight end then he's going to be second fiddle to ours and that's not good enough.

When you frame it like this, it sounds a lot worse than what it was in reality. As I said, damn near 800 yards and 7 TDs. That's a productive season as a Georgia WR in that offense. It's almost as if you're being completely disingenuous.

I knew the Skyy Moore comparison would come at some point too. A tell tale sign of somebody that is taking anybody remotely similar (surface level) and putting them in that box. It's lazy.

There's very little comaprison between the two, even removing hindsight with Skyy. The tape is put there. Like I said, he got separation with ease in the SEC and at the Senior Bowl. You are simply looking at him as a white small WR, looking at his stats, and that's it.

We'll jsut have to agree to disagree though because you clearly have your mind made up, and I jsut made several points that you completely ignored. You really didn't address anything, so what's the point?

[Womble]

Originally Posted by staylor26

When you frame it like this, it sounds a lot worse than what it was in reality. As I said, damn near 800 yards and 7 TDs. That's a productive season as a Georgia WR in that offense. It's almost as if you're being completely disingenuous.

I knew the Skyy Moore comparison would come at some point too. A tell tale sign of somebody that is just looking at stats and hasn't really done their homework.

There's very little comaprison between the two, even removing hindsight with Skyy. The tape is put there. Like I said, he got separation with ease in the SEC and at the Senior Bowl. You are simply looking at him as a white small WR, looking at his stats, and that's it.

800 yards is NOT impressive in the best team in college football dude. Legette got 500 yards more playing against the same opposition in the same league for an inferior team. Legette is also a far better deep threat than McConkey, which is an area that we need to improve on with MVS going and all the sounds around how we are going to utilise Hollywood Brown.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Womble

800 yards is NOT impressive in the best team in college football dude. Legette got 500 yards more playing against the same opposition in the same league for an inferior team. Legette is also a far better deep threat than McConkey, which is an area that we need to improve on with MVS going and all the sounds around how we are going to utilise Hollywood Brown.

What did George Pickens have at Georgia?

Adonai Mitchell?

Jermaine Burton?

800 yards at Georgia is a productive season. They aren't the "best team in football" because they're out there slinging it on Saturday's. You understand that, right? Not to mention, their QB play is average at best.

It's so obvious that you have never watched the guy play, and are simply looking at stats with zero context/nuance whatsoever.

Also, to be so focused on production, while simultaneously bringing up Legette as a better alternative is laughable. You're talking about a guy that did absolutely nothing for 4 years, then had a monster 5th year at 23 years old. And I actually like Legette.

Legette was at the same Senior Bowl that McConkey dominated. Not a single person can watch both guys that week and come away thinking Legette is the better player. They went against the same exact DBs, and McConkey was the guy that nobody could cover, not even a projected top 20 pick.

[Womble]

Originally Posted by staylor26

What did George Pickens have at Georgia?

Adonai Mitchell?

Jermaine Burton?

800 yards at Georgia is a productive season. They aren't the "best team in football" because they're out there slinging it on Saturday's. You understand that, right? Not to mention, their QB play is average at best.

It's so obvious that you have never watched the guy play, and are simply looking at stats with zero context/nuance whatsoever.

Also, to be so focused on production, while simultaneously bringing up Legette as a better alternative is laughable. You're talking about a guy that did absolutely nothing for 4 years, then had a monster 5th year at 23 years old. And I actually like Legette.

Legette was at the same Senior Bowl that McConkey dominated. Not a single person can watch both guys that week and come away thinking Legette is the better player. They went against the same exact DBs, and McConkey was the guy that nobody could cover, not even a projected top 20 pick.

Shut the **** up homer. Perhaps I'm focused on production because it's actually the be all and end all for WRs. Listen, if we're drafting Ladd McConkey in the third round after getting a guy like Legette in a previous round then I'd be okay with it. But to spend our first round pick on a guy with borderline JAG college production to join a team that suffered through last year due to having JAG production WRs like Moore you homered on ain't a good thing. I'd rather get a guy in who can own a specific WR role than a JAG of all traits kinda guy.

Talk down all you want to me boy. You full on homered a guy who is perhaps the worst WR I have ever seen in the NFL. Your opinion means shit to me.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Womble

Shut the **** up homer. Perhaps I'm focused on production because it's actually the be all and end all for WRs. Listen, if we're drafting Ladd McConkey in the third round after getting a guy like Legette in a previous round then I'd be okay with it. But to spend our first round pick on a guy with borderline JAG college production to join a team that suffered through last year due to having JAG production WRs like Moore you homered on ain't a good thing. I'd rather get a guy in who can own a specific WR role than a JAG of all traits kinda guy.

Talk down all you want to me boy. You full on homered a guy who is perhaps the worst WR I have ever seen in the NFL. Your opinion means shit to me.

McConkey:

1,687 yards 14 TDs in 4 years

Legette:

1.678 yards 17 TDs in 5 years

You're literally too stupid to argue with.

Also, @ "homer"

Did the Chiefs draft Ladd McConkey already or something? You don't even make ****ing sense.

[Womble]

Originally Posted by staylor26

McConkey:

1,687 yards 14 TDs in 4 years

Legette:

1.678 yards 17 TDs in 5 years

You're literally too stupid to argue with.

Also, @ "homer"

Did the Chiefs draft Ladd McConkey already or something? You don't even make ****ing sense.

Ladd McConkey in his last 2 college seasons where he was WR1 for the best team in football: 478 yards + 762 yards. 1240 total.

Legette in his final season playing in the same division for an inferior team: 1255 yards

Ladd McConkey had everything available to him at Georgia and did nothing of note in his playing time Go wank yourself silly to videos of his elite separation in practice. I'll take the guy who actually produces on gameday thanks.

Being a homer and being a reerun are the same thing in my book. You're a homer which means that I'll basically discount anything you ever say about football because your opinions are principally based on emotion, hence why you're so quick to discount the objectively most important stat for WRs and are instead focussing on subjective stuff.

[staylor26]

"If your boy's so productive where are his yards"

Originally Posted by staylor26

McConkey:

1,687 yards 14 TDs in 4 years

Legette:

1,678 yards 17 TDs in 5 years

You're literally too stupid to argue with.

Also, @ "homer"

Did the Chiefs draft Ladd McConkey already or something? You don't even make ****ing sense.

Imagine being this ****ing reeruned

Nobody said he was "so" productive, just pointing out the cognitive dissonance of "production is the be all end all" and "Legette > McConkey".

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by Womble

A lot of what you've listed here and previously were supposedly Skyy Moore's attributes.

In McConkey's best ever season as a WR where he clearly was the WR1 he had just 250 more receiving yards than the ****ing running back (who can't get a game for the Seahawks). You can talk all you want about separation etc but I've heard it all before with our other shitty WRs who apparently get separation but Mahomes needs to be better. If he was first round pick worthy he would have been a much more important piece to that offense. I also don't care how good Bowers is..our 1st round WR will be going to a team with the GOAT tight end and there still should be the expectation that they should outperform him in yardage in their 2nd year, like Tyreek did. If he's second fiddle to a college tight end then he's going to be second fiddle to ours and that's not good enough.

Except Ladd did in the SEC, big difference. He was also out the first four games last year against the sub tier teams.