DT Thread

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The same can be said at DT when you have Chris Jones and that's it because Veach hasn't addressed DT in years. That said, I think it's a bit cheaper to go to the FA well for DTs. You can always do the "bring in as many cheap, relatively shitty guys as we can and see what happens" route that Veach has employed once again this year. At some point though, he should draft a DT.

I don't disagree, except that we're really talking about a depth guy at 3t, and a two down 1t.

Versus someone for Mahomes to throw the ball to.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I don't disagree, except that we're really talking about a depth guy at 3t, and a two down 1t.

Versus someone for Mahomes to throw the ball to.

We're also talking about the 3rd WR and 4th option for him to throw the ball to. We can't overqualify one while underqualifying the other.

Do I think we should go WR before DT? Yes. Would I under any circumstance? No. For example, if Ruke Ororohoro is sitting there at 64, then there better be one hell of a WR option sitting there or I'd wait until Round 3 because I think this year will have good options there.

It's all relative. The only pressing need right now is LT, until Veach does something about that in the coming days.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

We're also talking about the 3rd WR and 4th option for him to throw the ball to. We can't overqualify one while underqualifying the other.

Do I think we should go WR before DT? Yes. Would I under any circumstance? No. For example, if Ruke Ororohoro is sitting there at 64, then there better be one hell of a WR option sitting there or I'd wait until Round 3 because I think this year will have good options there.

It's all relative. The only pressing need right now is LT, until Veach does something about that in the coming days.

That's not quite accurate. At least not for anything after 2024. There's a Rice, and...Skyy Moore. That's what would be under contract in '25.

I don't know that Kelce at 36 should be considered a WR at all, much less WR1 or 2, and that's assuming he doesn't call it a career should they threepeat. I mean, that is a very real possibility, especially with his brother calling it.

Ororohoro is an interesting prospect, for sure, but what role does he play in a Chris Jones led defensive front? He's a 3 tech. So, he spells Jones when Jones needs a breather, and he plays some passing downs if you want to move Jones out to DE? I don't see him as a run down 1T. Given how much we just paid Jones, I don't think that's a great value pick. Had we NOT signed Jones, I'd be with you.

And please don't take any snark in my response; we're just talking theoretics.

Of course, now that I've said all of that, Veach will go all in on DL in this draft. LOL

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

That's not quite accurate. At least not for anything after 2024. There's a Rice, and...Skyy Moore. That's what would be under contract in '25.

I don't know that Kelce at 36 should be considered a WR at all, much less WR1 or 2, and that's assuming he doesn't call it a career should they threepeat. I mean, that is a very real possibility, especially with his brother calling it.

Ororohoro is an interesting prospect, for sure, but what role does he play in a Chris Jones led defensive front? He's a 3 tech. So, he spells Jones when Jones needs a breather, and he plays some passing downs if you want to move Jones out to DE? I don't see him as a run down 1T. Given how much we just paid Jones, I don't think that's a great value pick. Had we NOT signed Jones, I'd be with you.

And please don't take any snark in my response; we're just talking theoretics.

Of course, now that I've said all of that, Veach will go all in on DL in this draft. LOL

We have Jones and whatever Neil Ferrell is at DT after this season. That's it. So, there's that component as well. Neither position has been well-managed in the draft to keep some influx of talent rolling through.

Given that we play a 1-gap scheme, no I don't rule out too many prospects to play NT. We can also ask a guy like Ruke to put on 15 lbs. Even if it's bad weight, he's going to be a great athlete because he's already a phenomenal one at 295.

I'm just keeping an open mind about this draft. I'm nervous about LT continuing to be an exercise in kicking the can down the road and I think this draft could present a unique opportunity to grab a guy later than normal. That pushes WR and DT down from where you'd like to see them.

Not only that, there are a few CBs I really like in this draft too that just won't come into play because of those needs.

As long as Veach stacks up some good football players, we'll be fine. I don't know that he needs to force any position, including WR. If he goes WR in 3 and 5, I'll get it. If he does it in 1, I'll get it.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by kccrow

The same can be said at DT when you have Chris Jones and that's it because Veach hasn't addressed DT in years. That said, I think it's a bit cheaper to go to the FA well for DTs. You can always do the "bring in as many cheap, relatively shitty guys as we can and see what happens" route that Veach has employed once again this year. At some point though, he should draft a DT.

I agree with this conceptually, and how the Chiefs employ it.
I would think/hope that there is some universe of resources where the Chiefs convert everything to a common unit:

Veteran league minimum or whatever% of the salary cap is worth X of made up unit (We can reference them as Chiefsbux going forward.).
Pick 17 is worth Y Chiefsbux.

Now that picks and salary cap allocations are all now quantified in Chiefsbux, you can use that to evaluate value per production at a given position.

Then employed as follows:
We can get unsatisfactory/satisfactory/strong production for 1.25 Chiefsbux. We value on this type of production as being worth 3 Chiefsbux, so our value per unit of production is net +1.75 Chiefsbux.

It's contrived, but I think it would be helpful as a secondary measure of production vs. resources:
We expect a net Chiefsbux return of +1.5/player or 150%/player at WR. Therefore, MVS producing 1.5 Chiefsbux in value versus 3.0 Chiefsbux cost is -1.5 or 50% and we are going to trigger a review of him as a cut candidate.