Caleb Williams is destined to be a massive bust

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

So I will ask the question....are you saying that you are absolutely sure that Caleb Williams will become the next Patrick Mahomes (like we seem to see with every new crop of QB) or will he become the next Johnny Manziel?

It's one or the other? No in between allowed?

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

It's one or the other? No in between allowed?

Not when you are the consensus #1 pick with all this hype.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

Not when you are the consensus #1 pick with all this hype.

So if he becomes the 7th best QB in the NFL is he Patrick Mahomes or Johnny Manziel?

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by wazu

So if he becomes the 7th best QB in the NFL is he Patrick Mahomes or Johnny Manziel?

I'm not saying it is fair....but when you have all this hype being less than what you are projected can make people label you .

And to answer your question....if he is the 7th best QB then he is Justin Herbert or Kirk Cousins.

Not bad. But not a franchise QB

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

So I will ask the question....are you saying that you are absolutely sure that Caleb Williams will become the next Patrick Mahomes (like we seem to see with every new crop of QB) or will he become the next Johnny Manziel?

Talent doesn't guarantee a winner....especially if the brain attached to it doesn't show the maturity to face the certain adversity that will come with the pressure of being the guaranteed #1 pick.

Nobody will be the next Patrick Mahomes. That’s a ridiculous standard. As far as I can tell the comparisons are about style of play and arm talent, not that if he isn’t 1b to Mahomes’ 1a then he’s a failure.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Nobody will be the next Patrick Mahomes. That’s a ridiculous standard. As far as I can tell the comparisons are about style of play and arm talent, not that if he isn’t 1b to Mahomes’ 1a then he’s a failure.

But it is the one that everyone uses these days....sorry but that is just how it is.

I think if he gets to be the 7th best QB in his first hear then the Bears are right for taking him.

But if he is more Justin Fields redux or Kenny Pickett then everyone will jump on the failure bandwagon.

No question the capability is there...but does he have the mental make up to work past the pressure he will face.

Some have wilted with less pressure.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

But it is the one that everyone uses these days....sorry but that is just how it is.

I think if he gets to be the 7th best QB in his first hear then the Bears are right for taking him.

But if he is more Justin Fields redux or Kenny Pickett then everyone will jump on the failure bandwagon.

No question the capability is there...but does he have the mental make up to work past the pressure he will face.

Some have wilted with less pressure.

The comparison is made because of style of play and arm talent. You can separate that from he needs to be as good as Mahomes or he’s a failure. Regardless his college team’s record is irrelevant. Just like when the previous year the team went 11-3 that didn’t matter either.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

The comparison is made because of style of play and arm talent. You can separate that from he needs to be as good as Mahomes or he’s a failure. Regardless his college team’s record is irrelevant. Just like when the previous year the team went 11-3 that didn’t matter either.

Again....if he is the 7th best QB in the league the the Bears are right for picking him and he is not a failure.

Everyone was sure Tua was the next Mahomes....Trevor Lawrence was a generational talent....neither has lived up to expectations.

I'm saying that being a #1 pick carries a lot of pressure that some can't/won't handle well.

We will see how he does..

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

Everyone was sure Tua was the next Mahomes...

Lol literally nobody said that.

People say "the next Mahomes!" for any mobile QB with a rocket arm known for making the occasional jaw-dropping play. It's unjustified and frankly an insult to Patrick Mahomes, but there IS a QB type who gets that label.

Tua is/was NOT that type. Not in college. Not pre-draft. Not as a pro. He never was.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

So I will ask the question....are you saying that you are absolutely sure that Caleb Williams will become the next Patrick Mahomes (like we seem to see with every new crop of QB) or will he become the next Johnny Manziel?

He will be closer to Manziel than Mahomes.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by Mosbonian

So I will ask the question....are you saying that you are absolutely sure that Caleb Williams will become the next Patrick Mahomes (like we seem to see with every new crop of QB) or will he become the next Johnny Manziel?

Talent doesn't guarantee a winner....especially if the brain attached to it doesn't show the maturity to face the certain adversity that will come with the pressure of being the guaranteed #1 pick.

There is no way of knowing that, but he is far more talented than Manziel. If I am Chicago I would rather roll the dice with him and strike out than go with a “safer” pick and watch Williams ball out elsewhere. He doesn’t have to be the next Mahomes to make Chicago regret passing on him.

Sometimes players come into the league with maturity issues and grow out of them, but the talent is undeniable. A certain TE in KC comes to mind in that regard.

[Mosbonian]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Sometimes players come into the league with maturity issues and grow out of them, but the talent is undeniable. A certain TE in KC comes to mind in that regard.

Strawman argument....there is a whole world of difference between the maturity level of a later round TE pick and the consensus #1 QB pick.