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Old 03-26-2023, 05:55 PM   #2
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Just because Toney is 100% healthy at this moment and KC can look at him up close means very little as to whether he can play a full season including playoffs while staying reasonably healthy.

Maybe they have an inside reason to be optimistic on Skyy. I hope so. I spent last off season predicting he would be over drafted in fantasy leagues his freshman year but under drafted his sophomore year.

But second year breakout candidates usually finish up stronger than he did.

And how do you know Veach and Reid aren't worried? Sure, they didn't resign some WRs they could have... But maybe some other plan fell through and in hindsight that was a mistake and they are stressed out.

Would you expect them to come out and say so?
They told us the plan back during combine week. You guys are the ones insisting that can't possibly be the plan.
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Old 03-26-2023, 06:06 PM   #3
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They told us the plan back during combine week. You guys are the ones insisting that can't possibly be the plan.
It's not. I mean, good on you for believing, but there's just no way Andy rolls into 2023 with MVS, Toney and Skyy as the 'returning vets' and backing them up with a couple mid-round drafted WRs and the dregs we currently have in the likes of Marsette, Powell and the Ross brothers. No team in the NFL would do that.

And if they were, why not then re-sign JuJu or Hardman, or pick up the likes of Adam Thielen on the cheap? Why bother with creating all the cap space? Why touch Pat's deal, which is supposed to be a "only-break-glass in case of emergency" option?

Answer: Veach is quietly planning on bringing in a veteran WR, either along the lines of a Corey Davis type, or he's going big game hunting (Odell/DeHop).

It's really the only play that makes realistic sense at this point.
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Old 03-26-2023, 06:34 PM   #4
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It's not. I mean, good on you for believing, but there's just no way Andy rolls into 2023 with MVS, Toney and Skyy as the 'returning vets' and backing them up with a couple mid-round drafted WRs and the dregs we currently have in the likes of Marsette, Powell and the Ross brothers. No team in the NFL would do that.

And if they were, why not then re-sign JuJu or Hardman, or pick up the likes of Adam Thielen on the cheap? Why bother with creating all the cap space? Why touch Pat's deal, which is supposed to be a "only-break-glass in case of emergency" option?

Answer: Veach is quietly planning on bringing in a veteran WR, either along the lines of a Corey Davis type, or he's going big game hunting (Odell/DeHop).

It's really the only play that makes realistic sense at this point.
They didn't really create a 'ton of cap-space'.

They've got like $10m. What'll it cost to sign the draft picks again?

No, they probably have JWat on hold, while they're looking around for a bigger bodied guy with some upside. I thought Callaway would be a good fit.

They didn't clear enough for the big names you guys are all hot and bothered for.

If THAT was the plan, they'd have hit the Mahomes piggy bank harder and the deal would've been done.

You guys are just not facing reality.

Andy Reid is expecting Skyy and Toney to make big strides. Period.

I hope he's right; not just as a fan, but as an armchair GM it sure makes the next three or four years look like a golden ticket.
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Old 03-26-2023, 02:46 PM   #5
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:09 PM   #7
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What's our cap space at this point? $10M?
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Old 03-26-2023, 06:58 PM   #8
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What's our cap space at this point? $10M?
Spotrac has us at a little over $6.1M. Over the cap has us at $5.168M. Neither has factored in the Bell and Nnadi contracts. We have 10 draft picks, each will be guaranteed (assuming they make the team) $705K. That's $7.05M for those without a calculator. Then there are signing bonuses to be factored in.
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Old 03-26-2023, 07:03 PM   #9
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Spotrac has us at a little over $6.1M. Over the cap has us at $5.168M. Neither has factored in the Bell and Nnadi contracts. We have 10 sraft picks, each will be guaranteed (assuming they make the team) $705K. That's $7.05M for those without a calculator. Then there are signing bonuses to be factored in.
Thx. Just wanted to know if the amount had changed in the last few days.
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:44 PM   #10
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Are we trying to copy the Patriots? Except Welker and Edelman were pretty good, despite being shorter white guys.
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Old 03-26-2023, 05:53 PM   #11
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Are we trying to copy the Patriots? Except Welker and Edelman were pretty good, despite being shorter white guys.
Let's hope not.

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Are we trying to copy the Patriots? Except Welker and Edelman were pretty good, despite being shorter white guys.
And remember, it took Wes Welker about two full seasons to become a regular starter that was worth anything. Edelman took four years to amount to anything.

And at the end of the day, both were just slot possession WRs. They moved the chains and that's about it.
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And remember, it took Wes Welker about two full seasons to become a regular starter that was worth anything. Edelman took four years to amount to anything.

And at the end of the day, both were just slot possession WRs. They moved the chains and that's about it.
Really? Either Welker or Edelman would wreck shop in our offense.
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Really? Either Welker or Edelman would wreck shop in our offense.
Well sure. But for whatever reason it took both of them years to get right in NE. No idea why, but obviously they didn't hit the ground running. And both turned out to be very high-level players, so it wasn't for lack of brains or ability.
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Well sure. But for whatever reason it took both of them years to get right in NE. No idea why, but obviously they didn't hit the ground running. And both turned out to be very high-level players, so it wasn't for lack of brains or ability.
This is an inaccurate statement.

While it did take Edelman a few years to get up to speed as 7th round pick by the Pats in 2009, Welker had proven himself a solid WR with Miami. Pats traded for him and he IMMEDIATELY hit the ground running with 3 straight 100 reception, 1000 yard seasons in his first 3 years with New England.

Don’t make blanket statements if you don’t know what you’re talking about.
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