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Old 05-18-2022, 02:49 PM   #2
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I think this is where I am.

Very infrequently will an otherwise good show, work some bullshit in there that is offputting to a middle aged middle class white dude that tries to raise his kids to evaluate people based on merit.

But hell if you do that, you'll have to shut off a lot more than Netflix. Disney's last movie they put out, I think called Turning Red was about a girl getting her period. Not something I want my 8 year old daughter to be exposed to just yet.

Fact is there is content bombarding us, and more often than not it is slanted some way or the other.
What I'll say makes this easier is that USUALLY the more odious and obnoxious forms of it aren't hammered into otherwise 'secular' shows.

If there's some over the top flamboyant gay hero here to save the day, he's gonna get slapped into the middle of some show that was probably already being watched by the crew that would be excited by said flamboyant gay hero.

But as noted, Ozark had that bizarre homosexual love-fest in season one, the guy was a ****ing nut, and then he got got. And that was that. When it's done, it's not typically been done in an obnoxiously ham-fisted manner or somewhere that's going to foist itself on me when I'm just trying to watch cars drive fast or things go boom.

Feels like much ado about nothing.
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Old 05-18-2022, 02:53 PM   #3
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Fact is there is content bombarding us, and more often than not it is slanted some way or the other.
Don't you think it's impossible for this to NOT be the case?

It's always just a matter if you agree with the message and the influence it's creating.
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Old 05-18-2022, 07:46 PM   #4
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Don't you think it's impossible for this to NOT be the case?

It's always just a matter if you agree with the message and the influence it's creating.
Oh I think it can be. I'm a sucker for The Ghost and the Darkness. It's hard for me to believe you can derive a narrative from that movie.

My position has always been tell a good story, make a good movie, I'll listen to your narrative.
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Old 05-19-2022, 07:32 AM   #5
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Oh I think it can be. I'm a sucker for The Ghost and the Darkness. It's hard for me to believe you can derive a narrative from that movie.

My position has always been tell a good story, make a good movie, I'll listen to your narrative.
Is that the one with the lions and Val Kilmer?

Because that’s a CLASSIC bad good movie.

And since you’re my hayseed Tyler Durden, it makes sense you would like it.
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Old 05-19-2022, 08:16 AM   #6
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Is that the one with the lions and Val Kilmer?

Because that’s a CLASSIC bad good movie.

And since you’re my hayseed Tyler Durden, it makes sense you would like it.
My wife read the book, and said the movie, though it claims to be a true story, has nothing on the book, which she said was amazingly hard to believe. She felt they toned down the movie to make it believable...also the Michael Douglas character did not exist and the real Patterson was a total bastard who basically abandoned his family in Chicago so he could go on all his adventures.

But I love that campy ass movie. It's a classic, I wouldn't call it bad though...
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Old 05-19-2022, 08:39 AM   #7
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My wife read the book, and said the movie, though it claims to be a true story, has nothing on the book, which she said was amazingly hard to believe. She felt they toned down the movie to make it believable...also the Michael Douglas character did not exist and the real Patterson was a total bastard who basically abandoned his family in Chicago so he could go on all his adventures.

But I love that campy ass movie. It's a classic, I wouldn't call it bad though...
Val Kilmer trying to carry a movie with dramatic undertones just didn't work. And wasn't there some supernatural element to it as well? Man, I haven't seen it in probably 10 years, but I remember the spirit world ghost lion stuff being really eye-rolly.

For whatever reason "The Devil has come to Tsavo" just stands out as an all-time line. Michael Douglas was the other hunter, right? That guy was just chewing scenery the whole time.

It was a pretty bad movie from an 'objective' standpoint - but I still enjoy the hell out of it.
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Old 05-19-2022, 11:37 AM   #8
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Val Kilmer trying to carry a movie with dramatic undertones just didn't work.
and the shitty Irish accent didn't help either, that's for sure.

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And wasn't there some supernatural element to it as well? Man, I haven't seen it in probably 10 years, but I remember the spirit world ghost lion stuff being really eye-rolly.
yes, the idea to me was that the people thought they were more than just lions, but Patterson didn't. I don't think they were getting at anything other than these two lions did not act like normal lions.
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For whatever reason "The Devil has come to Tsavo" just stands out as an all-time line. Michael Douglas was the other hunter, right? That guy was just chewing scenery the whole time.
Definitely one of his cornier performances to be sure. It was like watching a kid scary movie type show in a way, except for the whole terrifying lion eating people thing...

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It was a pretty bad movie from an 'objective' standpoint - but I still enjoy the hell out of it.
Couldn't agree more. Used to have it on DVD but had to get rid of a bunch of that for space, and the Ghost and the Darkness didn't make the cut. But it was a fun movie and I'm sure I'll catch it again some day.
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Old 05-18-2022, 02:57 PM   #9
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I think this is where I am.

Very infrequently will an otherwise good show, work some bullshit in there that is offputting to a middle aged middle class white dude that tries to raise his kids to evaluate people based on merit. But I have a pretty decent filter of what sucks.

But hell if you do that, you'll have to shut off a lot more than Netflix. Disney's last movie they put out, I think called Turning Red was about a girl getting her period. Not something I want my 8 year old daughter to be exposed to just yet.

Fact is there is content bombarding us, and more often than not it is slanted some way or the other.
My 8 yr old watched it and would NEVER have made the connection. Never did. By the time they will, they're ready for it.

But again, that movie just sucked out loud. It was really awful. Not interesting, not funny, not unique. Just bad and hackneyed and tortured and slow. But as we were watching it I told my wife "lord, this things going to be critically acclaimed and get like 98% on rotten tomatoes because critics LOVE patting themselves on the back" Sure enough - "Best thing Pixar has ever done!!!"

But compare that to even their more obscure stuff like Wall-E. Or Zootopia, which was a MAJOR cringe when it came to just obnoxiously thinly veiled racism and climate crap. But at least Zootopia was actually good. It was funny. It had a fox and a goddamn rabbit as the main character and yet my kids didn't struggle to 'relate' because there weren't tiny little white kids telling them that racism ain't cool.

Toy Story wouldn't wipe its ass with Turning Red and the viewing audience absolutely knows this. But critics can't jerk themselves off to white male main characters. It's the same circle jerk echo chamber crap that the entertainment industry has always been. But audiences know better.

They're not fleeing woke, they're fleeing bad.
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