Yeesh - Alec Baldwin just plopped into a world of hurt

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by FlaChief58

First 2 rules of gun safety are treat every gun as if it were loaded and NEVER point a gun at someone unless you plan on shooting them. He failed on both accounts.

Are you under the impression that most actors take gun safety courses before handling fake guns on a set?

[FlaChief58]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Are you under the impression that most actors take gun safety courses before handling fake guns on a set?

Of course not, but the person who is in charge of handling the gun, real or prop, should inform whomever handles it of those 2 basic yet important rules.

[notorious]

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Are you under the impression that most actors take gun safety courses before handling fake guns on a set?

Are you saying that gun safety rules don't apply to actors? My original prediction was that when we learn all the details of what happened, we would find that the death would be the result of a failure to follow gun safety rules. That doesn't change just because he is an actor.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

Are you saying that gun safety rules don't apply to actors? My original prediction was that when we learn all the details of what happened, we would find that the death would be the result of a failure to follow gun safety rules. That doesn't change just because he is an actor.

Have you ever watched a movie?

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Have you ever watched a movie?

Non-sequitur much?

My original statement was that anti-gun zealots are usually very ignorant about guns and gun safety. Everything you say supports my claim that those people are ignorant of gun safety.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by RedinTexas

Are you saying that gun safety rules don't apply to actors? My original prediction was that when we learn all the details of what happened, we would find that the death would be the result of a failure to follow gun safety rules. That doesn't change just because he is an actor.

How hard is it to understand that they take actors out of the equation when it comes to safety? Their job is to act. It's someone else's job to make sure the props aren't going to kill anyone.

Why on earth would anyone trust actors who, by and large, have never held a real gun in their lives, with gun safety?

[RedinTexas]

Originally Posted by DaFace

How hard is it to understand that they take actors out of the equation when it comes to safety? Their job is to act. It's someone else's job to make sure the props aren't going to kill anyone.

Why on earth would anyone trust actors who, by and large, have never held a real gun in their lives, with gun safety?

Why on earth are you arguing with me when all you say supports my thesis that those anti-gun zealots know nothing about gun safety?

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by DaFace

How hard is it to understand that they take actors out of the equation when it comes to safety? Their job is to act. It's someone else's job to make sure the props aren't going to kill anyone.

Why on earth would anyone trust actors who, by and large, have never held a real gun in their lives, with gun safety?

Baldwin is a big fat hypocrite just like Liam Neeson when it comes to guns, and yes I detest his overall politics... but yeah, I'm just not seeing the culpability here from a legal standpoint

At least not yet

Alec the actor had every right to expect that his crew took the basic precautions of making sure there were no obstructions in the barrel or chamber... and most certainly that no actual rounds were somehow being used

The only caveat is to what extent did his decisions as one of several producers, create an unsafe environment?

Thats a legal question that we'll see play out... but as an actor he has the right to expect that what he's been handed is safe to point in ANY direction

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by Easy 6

Baldwin is a big fat hypocrite just like Liam Neeson when it comes to guns, and yes I detest his overall politics... but yeah, I'm just not seeing the culpability here from a legal standpoint

At least not yet

Alec the actor had every right to expect that his crew took the basic precautions of making sure there were no obstructions in the barrel or chamber... and most certainly that no actual rounds were somehow being used

The only caveat is to what extent did his decisions as one of several producers, create an unsafe environment?

Thats a legal question that we'll see play out... but as an actor he has the right to expect that what he's been handed is safe to point in ANY direction

Yep that's how I see it as well. I just don't get how this happens on movie sets. I get that they want it to look as real as possible but they should use a prop that is 100% impossible to kill someone.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Why on earth would anyone trust actors who, by and large, have never held a real gun in their lives, with gun safety?

Maybe Hollywood should make basic gun safety mandatory for those that are going to handle one on a set.

At least the basics, like checking what's in the chamber when picking a gun up. Simple stuff I was taught when I was 5.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Are you under the impression that most actors take gun safety courses before handling fake guns on a set?

Actually in one of those articles posted they do require safety training on set which includes safe handling of prop firearms. That was the actors union who of course wasn't on the set and one of the reasons for the walkout.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by FlaChief58

First 2 rules of gun safety are treat every gun as if it were loaded and NEVER point a gun at someone unless you plan on shooting them. He failed on both accounts.

I know the rules. Doesn't change my post.