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Direckshun · 05-02-2021, 09:02 AM

The idea that he has players in layered tiers is not new, of course.

But here's the problem with it: in any tier you care to look at, the most valuable positions get drafted first, because of course they should. Quarterback, tackle, wide receiver, passrusher.

The last players to be chosen in any tier are going to be the lowest value players.

Running back. Linebacker. Interior offensive line.

And here we are. That's been the Chiefs last four picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft.

It's just not a great approach when you're always at the end of the round, which the Chiefs always will be under Reid and Mahomes. You need to be able to be more flexible.

The Chiefs selected a linebacker (which we do desperately need) and a center (which we kinda needed) when there were really good players in a lower tier still on the board.

How much better is Humphrey going to be than Blythe? Really?

Because remember that when we struggle to get a passrush in December, January, and February. Remember that in the Super Bowl when the Bucs run out the exact same coverage that blanketed us the first time and we still don't have a WR2 that can break free of 1 on 1 coverage. Remember that when, god forbid, one of our corners go down with injury in week 7 and we have to watch Rashad Fenton get raked for 8 weeks.

That being said, the Chiefs did get better this weekend. They just could have gotten a lot better this weekend, with how sexy the board looked when they were up to pick.

Pick by pick reviews.

LB Nick Bolton, Missouri -- The Chiefs probably have the best linebacking corps now that they've had in a decade. Hitchens finally seems to understand the system, Gay looked really solid all year and came on until his injury, and Bolton's going to be really good. He's a smart player with limited athleticism, so really a perfect Spags linebacker. But he may be a two-down player, and I see a lot of Kawika Mitchell in him -- neither of those are deserving of the 2nd round pick we spent. C-

C Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma -- I think Humphrey has Pro Bowl upside, and honestly the Chiefs track record on 2nd round centers is stellar with Mitch Morse and Rodney Hudson. I think he's going to be a starter here for 10 years. I'd had preferred other players, but this was a good get. A-

DE Joshua Kaindoh, Florida State -- I really don't like this pick, and only talked myself into it the day of the draft because we are so desperate at the position. Kaindoh has every bit of the size you need, but he just has no feel for the game. This is a Demetrius-Harris-sized project. Harris turned out to be pretty good, but it took us four years to get there. Kaindoh may yield the same returns at a different position. D+

TE Noah Gray, Duke -- I really hope the loss of Anthony Sherman didn't mess with our heads badly enough to take this guy, as the team later was communicating he could be a flex fullback. It's hard for me to get too worked up about Gray, however, one way or the other. I think he's fine, but a poor fit, but the 5th round on was just garbage in terms of options. C+

WR Cornell Powell, Clemson -- The questions with Powell entirely will be between the ears. He is already physically maxed out and is pretty great with the ball in his hands. I imagine he will peak out in a couple seaons as a WR3 in our offense, but if the Chiefs continue to fail to find a really good WR2, he could ascend to a shrug-WR2, someone to play the position non-pathetically until we find the next Sammy Watkins. I think his ceiling is Chris Conley, which is nothing to write home about, but that's a really great get in a draft this garbage. B+

OG Tre Smith, Tennessee -- Home run. No question. This is why you don't burn $80m on a guard, or draft one in the 2nd round. Dorsey made his living finding really good guards late in the draft, and Veach has finally done it himself. Smith will not crack the lineup this year, but he's going to be our starting RG in 2022 -- bank on it. I have no idea how Veach landed this, when it was late in the 6th round and teams were just taking long snappers because there was no talent left on the board. A+

staylor26 · 05-06-2021, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Nick Bolton was the 58th overall pick.

People have lost their ****ing minds.

This all comes down to not picking a certain person. It has nothing to do with the value of the pick because people are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

100%

They didn’t pick MY guy, so I’m going to bitch about a guy that we got at 58 that was a consensus late 1st to mid 2nd.

RunKC · 05-06-2021, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

1. Nick Bolton had elite production and his ability to play downhill and knock people the **** out is absolutely an elite “trait” along with his instincts, football IQ, and leadership qualities.

2. Joshua Kaindoh was not a “high pick”.

This isn’t the your dad’s football generation anymore. “Knocking people the **** out” isn’t legal anymore.

He did that in college last year and got ejected from the game

RunKC · 05-06-2021, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Nick Bolton was the 58th overall pick.

People have lost their ****ing minds.

This all comes down to not picking a certain person. It has nothing to do with the value of the pick because people are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

It was a pick based on need, not BPA. Not sure why that’s debatable

staylor26 · 05-06-2021, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

This isn’t the your dad’s football generation anymore. “Knocking people the **** out” isn’t legal anymore.

He did that in college last year and got ejected from the game

Yea, because you can’t hit people hard legally in the NFL. I didn’t literally mean knock people out. JFC man. There are countless examples of him laying the wood legally.

The hit he was ejected for shouldn’t have been an ejection, and likely wouldn’t be in the NFL. Besides, that’s one ****ing play in his entire career.

staylor26 · 05-06-2021, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

It was a pick based on need, not BPA. Not sure why that’s debatable

This is so ****ing dumb.

He was a consensus late 1st round to mid 2nd round prospect. DJ had him in his top 32 and he was taken at pick 58. No matter how many times you say this stupid ****ing shit, you’re still wrong.

kccrow · 05-06-2021, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

High picks should have both production and elite traits.

Which are hard to get outside the first round as a package but does exist.

Had that been the case, the Chiefs should have taken Paulson Adebo and Humphrey.

htismaqe · 05-07-2021, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

It was a pick based on need, not BPA. Not sure why that’s debatable

Absolutely not.

He was a CONSENSUS low 30's pick. Who as BPA if he wasn't?

They addressed a need with a VALUE pick, it really can't be argued unless you're just making shit up to be upset about.

staylor26 · 05-07-2021, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Absolutely not.

He was a CONSENSUS low 30's pick. Who as BPA if he wasn't?

They addressed a need with a VALUE pick, it really can't be argued unless you're just making shit up to be upset about.

Clearly Dyami Brown who went 24 picks later, duh!

Dunerdr · 05-07-2021, 09:42 AM

Why does this feel like Matt Lane vs. Chiefsplanet? RIP AP pod. Was a fan.

MahomesMagic · 05-07-2021, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Clearly Dyami Brown who went 24 picks later, duh!

Not a fan of the Bolton pick but I was even less enthused about Dyami.

At least we have a cheap Hitchens replacement and it helps our cap.

htismaqe · 05-07-2021, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Not a fan of the Bolton pick but I was even less enthused about Dyami.

At least we have a cheap Hitchens replacement and it helps our cap.

If Bolton becomes a full-time starter at MLB and replaces Hitchens, I mean, I get wanting more but that's a pretty good 2nd round pick all things considered.

**DaneMcCloud** · 05-07-2021, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Nick Bolton was the 58th overall pick.

People have lost their ****ing minds.

This all comes down to not picking a certain person. It has nothing to do with the value of the pick because people are talking out of both sides of their mouth.

I wasn't thrilled with the pick because I would have preferred a CB, S or WR but it's not as if LB wasn't a need. I mean, the Chiefs haven't had a dynamic linebacking corp since when, the 60's?

The combination of Gay, Hitchens and Bolton this season will ensure that a good linebacker is on the field on every down. Bolton's addition will be critical in limiting the ground attack of the opponent and if the Chiefs can get an additional stop or two on 3rd down in each game, it's going to take quite a bit of pressure off of Mahomes and the offense, so they won't feel as if they need to score 45 every game in order to win.

RunKC · 05-07-2021, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Absolutely not.

He was a CONSENSUS low 30's pick. Who as BPA if he wasn't?

They addressed a need with a VALUE pick, it really can't be argued unless you're just making shit up to be upset about.

Damien Wilson gone. Dumpster fire Ben Neimann is the projected starter.

Outright biggest hole on the entire roster, not even close. Our first pick fills that glaring need. This isn’t difficult to grasp.

And why is it controversial? We had a huge need and the GM filled it with a big asset. There’s nothing wrong with that

staylor26 · 05-07-2021, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Damien Wilson gone. Dumpster fire Ben Neimann is the projected starter.

Outright biggest hole on the entire roster, not even close.

Our first pick fills that glaring need. This isn’t difficult to grasp

By that logic, every single pick was a need pick. JFC.

You’re completely ignoring the facts about Bolton in favor of a narrative. You do this stupid ****ing shit all of the time.

RunKC · 05-07-2021, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

By that logic, every single pick was a need pick. JFC.

You’re completely ignoring the facts about Bolton in favor of a narrative. You do this stupid ****ing shit all of the time.

You defend every move the team makes.

Dude no offense but if Adolph Hitler was still alive and hired as a Chief consultant you’d be defending him saying he really wasn’t that bad

05-02-2021, 09:02 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch	I am not a fan of Veach's "tier" approach. The idea that he has players in layered tiers is not new, of course. But here's the problem with it: in any tier you care to look at, the most valuable positions get drafted first, because of course they should. Quarterback, tackle, wide receiver, passrusher. The last players to be chosen in any tier are going to be the lowest value players. Running back. Linebacker. Interior offensive line. And here we are. That's been the Chiefs last four picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft. It's just not a great approach when you're always at the end of the round, which the Chiefs always will be under Reid and Mahomes. You need to be able to be more flexible. The Chiefs selected a linebacker (which we do desperately need) and a center (which we kinda needed) when there were really good players in a lower tier still on the board. How much better is Humphrey going to be than Blythe? Really? Because remember that when we struggle to get a passrush in December, January, and February. Remember that in the Super Bowl when the Bucs run out the exact same coverage that blanketed us the first time and we still don't have a WR2 that can break free of 1 on 1 coverage. Remember that when, god forbid, one of our corners go down with injury in week 7 and we have to watch Rashad Fenton get raked for 8 weeks. That being said, the Chiefs did get better this weekend. They just could have gotten a lot better this weekend, with how sexy the board looked when they were up to pick. Pick by pick reviews. LB Nick Bolton, Missouri -- The Chiefs probably have the best linebacking corps now that they've had in a decade. Hitchens finally seems to understand the system, Gay looked really solid all year and came on until his injury, and Bolton's going to be really good. He's a smart player with limited athleticism, so really a perfect Spags linebacker. But he may be a two-down player, and I see a lot of Kawika Mitchell in him -- neither of those are deserving of the 2nd round pick we spent. C- C Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma -- I think Humphrey has Pro Bowl upside, and honestly the Chiefs track record on 2nd round centers is stellar with Mitch Morse and Rodney Hudson. I think he's going to be a starter here for 10 years. I'd had preferred other players, but this was a good get. A- DE Joshua Kaindoh, Florida State -- I really don't like this pick, and only talked myself into it the day of the draft because we are so desperate at the position. Kaindoh has every bit of the size you need, but he just has no feel for the game. This is a Demetrius-Harris-sized project. Harris turned out to be pretty good, but it took us four years to get there. Kaindoh may yield the same returns at a different position. D+ TE Noah Gray, Duke -- I really hope the loss of Anthony Sherman didn't mess with our heads badly enough to take this guy, as the team later was communicating he could be a flex fullback. It's hard for me to get too worked up about Gray, however, one way or the other. I think he's fine, but a poor fit, but the 5th round on was just garbage in terms of options. C+ WR Cornell Powell, Clemson -- The questions with Powell entirely will be between the ears. He is already physically maxed out and is pretty great with the ball in his hands. I imagine he will peak out in a couple seaons as a WR3 in our offense, but if the Chiefs continue to fail to find a really good WR2, he could ascend to a shrug-WR2, someone to play the position non-pathetically until we find the next Sammy Watkins. I think his ceiling is Chris Conley, which is nothing to write home about, but that's a really great get in a draft this garbage. B+ OG Tre Smith, Tennessee -- Home run. No question. This is why you don't burn $80m on a guard, or draft one in the 2nd round. Dorsey made his living finding really good guards late in the draft, and Veach has finally done it himself. Smith will not crack the lineup this year, but he's going to be our starting RG in 2022 -- bank on it. I have no idea how Veach landed this, when it was late in the 6th round and teams were just taking long snappers because there was no talent left on the board. A+
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