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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Do you guys want reality? Here, I'll bitch slap you in the face with it...

Teams that are in the LT sweepstakes...

The maybe's:
Carolina Panthers - Greg Little has played 2 seasons, started 3 games in each, ended up on IR both years.
Dallas Cowboys - Tyron Smith has had issues with injuries and just had neck surgery so who knows for sure.
Jacksonville Jaguars - Cam Robinson got the franchise tag, probably more due to insurance than anything as he sucks but who else would they get in free agency?
Minnesota Vikings - Do they plan to move Ezra Cleveland from G to T? Maybe, but if not they need a starter.
Washington Whatevers - It seems they are willing to give Geron Christion a chance, but he's suffered knee injuries in back-to-back years and is more of a RT than LT. They're closer to for sure than maybe, in my opinion.

The for sure's:
Indianapolis Colts - They signed Sam Tevi (blah) as insurance but need a starter.
Kansas City Chiefs - No starter, hell no depth.
Los Angeles Chargers - Also no starter and don't really have depth.
Pittsburgh Steelers - Okorafor steps in at RT but no starter or depth at LT.
New Orleans Saints - This is the last year for Terron Armstead. They could make him a June 1 cut and move on if they get a guy now. They may not go round 1 here, but they will at least go developmental here.


Teams that could be in the hunt at least for a RT and might steal a fringe LT:
Green Bay - Losing Wagner hurts and they have no plan behind him
Miami Dolphins - They might give Jackson and Hunt another year at LT and RT but we can't say 100% yet.
Tennessee Titans - Wilson was a huge bust and Lamm is nothing more than insurance. They may not look round 1 but RT will be on the radar.

And you want to think all of these tackles are going to fall? Not a chance.

Fall to where?

Not even a 3rd of those teams will select a tackle in the first round.

The 4th tackle will likely go off the board around pick 20 and the 5th around 25.

There is ZERO reason to trade up more than 10 or so spots.

This team is not getting Sewell, Slater, or Darrisaw. It's not going to happen.

A guy like Cosmi could potentially be within reach with a small trade up, and probably Jenkins too.

After that, there's going to be any number of guys available at 31.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Fall to where?

Not even a 3rd of those teams will select a tackle in the first round.

The 4th tackle will likely go off the board around pick 20 and the 5th around 25.

There is ZERO reason to trade up more than 10 or so spots.

This team is not getting Sewell, Slater, or Darrisaw. It's not going to happen.

A guy like Cosmi could potentially be within reach with a small trade up, and probably Jenkins too.

After that, there's going to be any number of guys available at 31.

I haven't said they have to trade up 20 spots for Darrisaw.

I'm saying they have to trade up if they want a legit day 1 starter at the position because none of the ones that are will fall to 31.

Jenkins isn't a LT in the NFL, help me God. He's a great fit for GB at RT though, and probably will be their pick.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I haven't said they have to trade up 20 spots for Darrisaw.

I'm saying they have to trade up if they want a legit day 1 starter at the position because none of the ones that are will fall to 31.

Jenkins isn't a LT in the NFL, help me God. He's a great fit for GB at RT though, and probably will be their pick.

I never said Jenkins was a LT. I don't think he is. But he will likely be the 5th guy off the board at this point, around pick 25 barring any big surprises (there's always at least one every year, Mayfield could be that guy IMO).

[htismaqe]

And for the record, I'm not convinced Sam Cosmi will be ready to play LT in the NFL the very first day.

The bottom line is that the 3 guys that FOR SURE can start day 1 will all be out of reach.

So you're barking up the wrong tree here. We could trade up for Cosmi and get a better chance at getting a day 1 starter but it's not 100%. Or we could trade up for Jenkins, who probably isn't even a left tackle.

They're going to have to sign a stop-gap no matter what.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Fall to where?

Not even a 3rd of those teams will select a tackle in the first round.

The 4th tackle will likely go off the board around pick 20 and the 5th around 25.

There is ZERO reason to trade up more than 10 or so spots.

This team is not getting Sewell, Slater, or Darrisaw. It's not going to happen.

A guy like Cosmi could potentially be within reach with a small trade up, and probably Jenkins too.

After that, there's going to be any number of guys available at 31.

Not even a 3rd?

1/3 don't have a starter at LT. What the heck man.

Someone is probably going to take Sewell early that doesn't need a LT but they'll gladly move their young LT over to RT.

And we also think that 3 other teams without a starter either are going to just sit there and let a LT slide by for the Chiefs?

That's absurd.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Not even a 3rd?

1/3 don't have a starter at LT. What the heck man.

Someone is probably going to take Sewell early that doesn't need a LT but they'll gladly move their young LT over to RT.

And we also think that 3 other teams without a starter either are going to just sit there and let a LT slide by for the Chiefs?

That's absurd.

I just said TWICE that I thought FIVE tackles would go before 31. Five.

Possibly 6. But after the first 3, the second three all have question marks.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t think any rookie will/should be starting day 1.

That’s why I’m signing Okung.

Because I don’t want to have a rookie starting day 1 and I want flexibility in the draft should the board/trades not work out in my favor.

I’m all for being aggressive. In fact, that’s my preference. I just don’t believe going into the draft trying to force a need is a good plan.

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Exactly.

Trying to force a need is a good way to get fleeced in a trade.

The Chiefs need to be prudent here and not panic like people here.

If Veach follows this philosophy, we're going to have a ton of fun watching Mahomes run for his life this year.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

If Veach follows this philosophy, we're going to have a ton of fun watching Mahomes run for his life this year.

Oh stop with the ****ing hyperbole. This team trotted out Cam Erving at LT for several games and other than the fat **** unluckily stepping on his ankle, it wasn’t ever THAT bad.

If they had Okung, Niang, Tega-Wanogho, and D’Ante Smith they’d be just fine. Worst case scenario you don’t like what you see from the young guys in TC and you start making plans to sign Fisher.

That’s a lot of young talent though, I feel confident that somebody can at least be a serviceable backup to Okung for a year.

That’s without even mentioning the fact that whoever is playing LT’s job will be a lot easier playing next to Thuney.

I really don’t think it’s as bad as you’re making it out to be, and I also don’t think a young guy that needs some development like Cosmi is going to come in and completely change that.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh stop with the ****ing hyperbole. This team trotted out Cam Erving at LT for several games and other than the fat **** unluckily stepping on his ankle, it wasn’t ever that bad.

If they had Okung, Niang, Tega-Wanogho, and D’Ante Smith they’d be just fine. Worst case scenario you don’t like what you see from the young guys in TC and you start making plans to sign Fisher.

That’s a lot of young talent though, I feel confident that somebody can at least be a serviceable backup to Okung for a year.

It's just pure panic.

Going into the draft think we HAVE to get a LT and the only place to get one is in the top 2/3 of the 1st round is essentially walking into the draft room blind and bound. It's completely reckless.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh stop with the ****ing hyperbole. This team trotted out Cam Erving at LT for several games and other than the fat **** unluckily stepping on his ankle, it wasn’t ever THAT bad.

If they had Okung, Niang, Tega-Wanogho, and D’Ante Smith they’d be just fine. Worst case scenario you don’t like what you see from the young guys in TC and you start making plans to sign Fisher.

That’s a lot of young talent though, I feel confident that somebody can at least be a serviceable backup to Okung for a year.

That’s without even mentioning the fact that whoever is playing LT’s job will be a lot easier playing next to Thuney.

I really don’t think it’s as bad as you’re making it out to be, and I also don’t think a young guy that needs some development like Cosmi is going to come in and completely change that.

Hyperbole? That's ballsy given what you just put out here. Come on man, you have better than this.

Cam Erving was a ****ing disaster at LT. He didn't get anyone killed, but it wasn't for an entire season so let's not act like he wouldn't have.
Did we sign Okung? Last I checked we didn't. If that does happen, I'd feel a little bit better about taking what the draft offered.
Tega-Wanogho has yet to prove he can make an NFL roster, much less be able to start at LT if asked to do so.
Niang has never played LT and there's no guarantee he can.
D'Ante Smith is likely a 4th round pick that doesn't have the feet to play LT in the NFL and there's little guarantee he'll handle the outside at all.


Of all the options you just put out there, sans actually signing Okung, I'd feel 100 times better thinking Remmers was going to be the starter at LT at least until I could see Niang try out LT.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Hyperbole? That's ballsy given what you just put out here. Come on man, you have better than this.

Cam Erving was a ****ing disaster at LT. He didn't get anyone killed, but it wasn't for an entire season so let's not act like he wouldn't have.
Did we sign Okung? Last I checked we didn't. If that does happen, I'd feel a little bit better about taking what the draft offered.
Tega-Wanogho has yet to prove he can make an NFL roster, much less be able to start at LT if asked to do so.
Niang has never played LT and there's no guarantee he can.
D'Ante Smith is likely a 4th round pick that doesn't have the feet to play LT in the NFL and there's little guarantee he'll handle the outside at all.


Of all the options you just put out there, sans actually signing Okung, I'd feel 100 times better thinking Remmers was going to be the starter at LT at least until I could see Niang try out LT.

Nobody said they signed Okung, I was saying that’s what I would do so I wouldn’t have to force myself into a trade.

Obviously, if the Chiefs don’t add a veteran before the draft, they might just have to force the issue at LT. I just don’t see any way that they do. They’ll sign him or trade for somebody, I’m almost sure of it.

And I’m sorry, but I hink you’re way off on Smith. He’s easily a top 100 player and absolutely has the feet to play LT. Dude was every bit as impressive at Meinerz at the Senior Bowl before he got hurt. I guarantee he won’t be a 4th round pick.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Do you guys want reality? Here, I'll bitch slap you in the face with it...

Teams that are in the LT sweepstakes...

The maybe's:
Carolina Panthers - Greg Little has played 2 seasons, started 3 games in each, ended up on IR both years.
Dallas Cowboys - Tyron Smith has had issues with injuries and just had neck surgery so who knows for sure.
Jacksonville Jaguars - Cam Robinson got the franchise tag, probably more due to insurance than anything as he sucks but who else would they get in free agency?
Minnesota Vikings - Do they plan to move Ezra Cleveland from G to T? Maybe, but if not they need a starter.
Washington Whatevers - It seems they are willing to give Geron Christion a chance, but he's suffered knee injuries in back-to-back years and is more of a RT than LT. They're closer to for sure than maybe, in my opinion.

The for sure's:
Indianapolis Colts - They signed Sam Tevi (blah) as insurance but need a starter.
Kansas City Chiefs - No starter, hell no depth.
Los Angeles Chargers - Also no starter and don't really have depth.
Pittsburgh Steelers - Okorafor steps in at RT but no starter or depth at LT.
New Orleans Saints - This is the last year for Terron Armstead. They could make him a June 1 cut and move on if they get a guy now. They may not go round 1 here, but they will at least go developmental here.


Teams that could be in the hunt at least for a RT and might steal a fringe LT:
Green Bay - Losing Wagner hurts and they have no plan behind him
Miami Dolphins - They might give Jackson and Hunt another year at LT and RT but we can't say 100% yet.
Tennessee Titans - Wilson was a huge bust and Lamm is nothing more than insurance. They may not look round 1 but RT will be on the radar.

And you want to think all of these tackles are going to fall? Not a chance.

Carolina Panthers - Maybe, but I think they're targeting a QB.
Dallas Cowboys - I think they're locked in on Surtain if he's on the board.
Jacksonville Jaguars - Maybe. Of course they aren't going LT at 1. Not sure they go LT later. They have a ton of holes and Robinson is 'ok'
Minnesota Vikings - No. Reiff was cut because Cleveland is going to be the LT and is cheaper.
WFT - Yeah they will be in the market.

Green Bay - Not too concerned. They needed direly to get Aaron weapons last year and drafted his replacement.
Miami Dolphins - They will likely take Sewell, but nbd.
Tennessee Titans - Would be surprised if they don't go WR or CB.

Indianapolis Colts - Yes.
Kansas City Chiefs - Yes.
Los Angeles Chargers - Yes.
Pittsburgh Steelers - I think they sign what's his **** back for a bargain rate.
New Orleans Saints - The Saints preparing for tomorrow? Doubtful.

I think the Chiefs are going to have options even if they stay at 31. Too much panic on CP.