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07-04-2020, 10:01 AM | #931 |
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The deaths are declining, thats the most important statistic. The cases also no longer predict deaths.
I can see why the media wants to change the subject to cases.. I also disagree with focusing on cases unless they are in a high risk pool, such as a nursing home. |
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07-04-2020, 10:03 AM | #932 |
Would an idiot do that?
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I believe it's been mentioned in the Covid thread by someone who works in the field that over 60% of hospitalizations in the Phoenix metro right now are under 65 years old, linking back to bars, restaurants, etc.
Seems like enough evidence to shut those things down. |
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07-04-2020, 10:04 AM | #933 |
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That's the timeline we entered in 2016. Belief and confirmation bias replaced fact and reality, and now a pandemic is a political issue rather than a health issue. Just ignore science if you don't like what it has to say. What could possibly go wrong?
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07-04-2020, 10:04 AM | #934 | |
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I fail to see why you'd choose to ignore new cases. That's where it all starts. |
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07-04-2020, 10:12 AM | #935 | |
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For example, lots of people are coming back for medical procedures. If you come into get a knee surgery and test positive for Covid, congrats..you're now a Covid "patient". The idea that cases actually gives us a good understanding is asinine. We weren't detecting cases well a few months ago..now we are finding them. |
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07-04-2020, 10:14 AM | #936 | |
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Do you acknowledge that the states where we are seeing these increases are also seeing an increase in deaths? And yes. If you test positive, you have COVID-19 unless it's a false positive. |
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07-04-2020, 10:23 AM | #937 |
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What happened in 2016?
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07-04-2020, 10:27 AM | #938 | |
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You do realize deaths lag behind right? You also realize it’s just more then deaths. People are having strokes heart attacks. organ damage. Lingering affects. Also. Just think about how many more if we lived just status quo |
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07-04-2020, 10:36 AM | #939 |
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Yes, there is a lot of evidence that people are not getting treated for heart disease and cancer as well as mental health and that the lockdown is killing people.
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07-04-2020, 10:46 AM | #940 |
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Because the testing is now readily available for all, obviously there will be more people that show infected. BUT the lethality is going down and we need to stop treating this as though it were the black plague. I agree with MM that we should quarantine and protect the elderly and the vulnerable (pre-existing health condition - diabetes, obese and asthmatics)folks until it is more safe for them. But to shut down all of our society??? PLEASE !!!!! But not surprised in the least that the deep staters and radical leftists always throw the baby out with the bath water on every issue. Just like DEFUND THE POLICE !!!
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07-04-2020, 10:53 AM | #941 | |
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07-04-2020, 10:53 AM | #942 |
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Flu is just as lethal to the elderly and pre-existing health condition folks as C19 and let's compare "real death stats" when it is all said and done. But wait, we won't be able to do that so easily because all deaths now in hospitals and nursing homes are classified as C-19. It will take time for sure to sort this all out BUT dollars to donuts the real C-19 death stats(C-19 only, no pre-existing health conditions) will not be anymore than the flu.
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07-04-2020, 10:54 AM | #943 | |
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Present estimates are COVID-19 has a CFR of 0.6% That's six times deadlier than influenza. |
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07-04-2020, 10:56 AM | #944 | |
Life is changing..
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And no, I don't need anybody to post that chart from China from 3 months ago either. |
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07-04-2020, 11:03 AM | #945 | |
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Wrong. |
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