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Old 02-26-2020, 10:28 PM  
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People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

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Old 04-29-2020, 09:33 PM   #25816
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Yeah because no other countries economy went to shit during this and we would prosper with hundreds of thousands dying and getting sick.
Yes, reread the post I responded to, he was stating reopening is a bad decision. We've flattened the curve with a lot less deaths than was predicted by the models WITH mitigation, and the reopening plan is pretty solid. Do you think we should should continue the stay at home orders until we have 0 new cases or deaths?
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Old 04-29-2020, 09:42 PM   #25817
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Yes, reread the post I responded to, he was stating reopening is a bad decision. We've flattened the curve with a lot less deaths than was predicted by the models WITH mitigation, and the reopening plan is pretty solid. Do you think we should should continue the stay at home orders until we have 0 new cases or deaths?
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Old 04-29-2020, 09:44 PM   #25818
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Yes, reread the post I responded to, he was stating reopening is a bad decision. We've flattened the curve with a lot less deaths than was predicted by the models WITH mitigation, and the reopening plan is pretty solid. Do you think we should should continue the stay at home orders until we have 0 new cases or deaths?
The public health stance is to wait until you have two consecutive weeks of declining percent-positive cases as a percentage of overall testing.

With that said, and to play Devil's Advocate, which is worse?

Most models that I've seen have shown that if New York had enacted measures two weeks earlier, their deaths would be between 50-80% lower.

Now, you can't get those two weeks back, but if you wait an extra two weeks is there any data that suggests that X number of businesses are more likely to fail over waiting for that period compared to opening now?

Also while you can't resurrect the dead, there does remain a possibility that jobs lost are not lost forever. So when talking about job losses, shouldn't we also consider how many of those jobs are gone forever vs. displaced for a while vs. gone to be replaced by a shittier job? There are degrees to this. The small business owner that is forced into bankruptcy and the single mom trying to feed her kids that gets laid off is hurt far more than the part time server who loses their college drinking money.
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Old 04-29-2020, 09:54 PM   #25819
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I thought KCs mayor did a great job explaining why and how KCs new cases are down to about 72ish this week. Social distancing has worked. The first stimulus didnt go fair enough we need a 2nd one that specifically targets small business and can buy a year or so to get their house in order.

With that said get more testing and hopefully some medical breakthroughs by fall cities like KC will be kicking ass vs this thing.
Can buy a year of what?
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Old 04-29-2020, 09:56 PM   #25820
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The public health stance is to wait until you have two consecutive weeks of declining percent-positive cases as a percentage of overall testing.

With that said, and to play Devil's Advocate, which is worse?

Most models that I've seen have shown that if New York had enacted measures two weeks earlier, their deaths would be between 50-80% lower.

Now, you can't get those two weeks back, but if you wait an extra two weeks is there any data that suggests that X number of businesses are more likely to fail over waiting for that period compared to opening now?

Also while you can't resurrect the dead, there does remain a possibility that jobs lost are not lost forever. So when talking about job losses, shouldn't we also consider how many of those jobs are gone forever vs. displaced for a while vs. gone to be replaced by a shittier job? There are degrees to this. The small business owner that is forced into bankruptcy and the single mom trying to feed her kids that gets laid off is hurt far more than the part time server who loses their college drinking money.
It’s just hard to see a one size fits all thing for this. There are counties around us that have 1 or 2 cases both recovered. I dunno that they need to stay locked down
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Old 04-29-2020, 10:09 PM   #25821
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Can buy a year of what?
I wasn't even going to go there. If he thinks a one time stimulus or even two time that "focuses on small businesses" is going to carry them for a year then there is no point in even going there.
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Old 04-29-2020, 10:10 PM   #25822
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It’s just hard to see a one size fits all thing for this. There are counties around us that have 1 or 2 cases both recovered. I dunno that they need to stay locked down
That's because there isn't one.
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Old 04-29-2020, 10:43 PM   #25823
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The public health stance is to wait until you have two consecutive weeks of declining percent-positive cases as a percentage of overall testing.

With that said, and to play Devil's Advocate, which is worse?

Most models that I've seen have shown that if New York had enacted measures two weeks earlier, their deaths would be between 50-80% lower.

Now, you can't get those two weeks back, but if you wait an extra two weeks is there any data that suggests that X number of businesses are more likely to fail over waiting for that period compared to opening now?

Also while you can't resurrect the dead, there does remain a possibility that jobs lost are not lost forever. So when talking about job losses, shouldn't we also consider how many of those jobs are gone forever vs. displaced for a while vs. gone to be replaced by a shittier job? There are degrees to this. The small business owner that is forced into bankruptcy and the single mom trying to feed her kids that gets laid off is hurt far more than the part time server who loses their college drinking money.
Jobs are lost forever... Seriously, you think we can keep printing stimulus money... We flattened the curve way better than the models showed, we were told hospitals would be overrun and folks would die without ventilators... We did it. Now we move forward with policy that protects the most vulnerable, per the guidelines. However, some states are deciding to stay shut down. California is closing all their beaches starting May 1st. Does this make sense? Is the public going to be more responsible and follow social distancing if the guidelines are sensible or non-sensible.
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Old 04-29-2020, 10:49 PM   #25824
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Jobs are lost forever... Seriously, you think we can keep printing stimulus money... We flattened the curve way better than the models showed, we were told hospitals would be overrun and folks would die without ventilators... We did it. Now we move forward with policy that protects the most vulnerable, per the guidelines. However, some states are deciding to stay shut down. California is closing all their beaches starting May 1st. Does this make sense? Is the public going to be more responsible and follow social distancing if the guidelines are sensible or non-sensible.
Newsome is butt hurt. That being said some of the states are going to push too hard for too long and it's going to backlash. Instead of getting people to cooperate they are going to end up pissing them off.
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Old 04-29-2020, 11:48 PM   #25825
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Mayor Garcetti of los Angeles was just on TV saying the biggest dangers are people who have the Covid but show no symptoms and go into the general population as "Super Spreaders"


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Old 04-30-2020, 12:22 AM   #25826
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Can buy a year of what?
Buy a year of staying in business.

This first and foremost gives the public more trust because by then we will either 1) have a strategy in place to target the most likely to suffer severe consequnces from the infection 2) treatment to atleast limit the fatalities and infections 3) a vaccine.

Any of those scenario provides more confidence into the consumer. Other ways the idea of the economy opening and coming back is pure fantasy. Without that you can kiss the small businesses goodbye. They need a prolonged bailout.
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Old 04-30-2020, 12:47 AM   #25827
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I wasn't even going to go there. If he thinks a one time stimulus or even two time that "focuses on small businesses" is going to carry them for a year then there is no point in even going there.
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This virus has been here since November at least if not October. Would you really be surprised after almost 6 months if 100,000 people in Ohio had it?


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Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the ****ing media.

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We are jumping off the ledge. Closing schools for months. Shutting down all restaurants and bars. Canceling all sports.

It is just starting to feel like people are panicking for the sake of panicking. I mean in WA most and I mean almost all of the deaths are from a nursing home or nursing homes. So you shut down schools for 2 months?


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Meanwhile, no one anywhere else in the world is having the problems Italy is having. Why is that?


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I have been hearing "we are headed to being like Italy" for the last week. I am starting to doubt that more and more. Hopefully the people saying this are very wrong.

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It's just the cold. People are dying the health care system could collapse and the market is tanking. It's just hysteria! Everything is fine.
It is hysteria you ****ing twat. Evidenced not by the lack of orange juice, vitamins or Airborne but the lack of ****ing toilet paper.

And you are the kind people that are driving it like it's some kind of ****ing movie or episode of the Walking Dead.

No one said everything is fine. Just some of us are objective enough to understand that it not the end of the world you are desperately trying to make it out to be.


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Old 04-30-2020, 12:57 AM   #25828
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That’s great news. Have you heard anything more about mass production issues?
I've heard zero from my buddy at Mayo since then.
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Old 04-30-2020, 01:01 AM   #25829
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This virus has been here since November at least if not October. Would you really be surprised after almost 6 months if 100,000 people in Ohio had it?


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Masks don't do jack shit. Stop listening to the ****ing media.

Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
We are jumping off the ledge. Closing schools for months. Shutting down all restaurants and bars. Canceling all sports.

It is just starting to feel like people are panicking for the sake of panicking. I mean in WA most and I mean almost all of the deaths are from a nursing home or nursing homes. So you shut down schools for 2 months?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
Meanwhile, no one anywhere else in the world is having the problems Italy is having. Why is that?


Originally Posted by petegz28 View Post
I have been hearing "we are headed to being like Italy" for the last week. I am starting to doubt that more and more. Hopefully the people saying this are very wrong.

Originally Posted by Titty Meat View Post
It's just the cold. People are dying the health care system could collapse and the market is tanking. It's just hysteria! Everything is fine.
It is hysteria you ****ing twat. Evidenced not by the lack of orange juice, vitamins or Airborne but the lack of ****ing toilet paper.

And you are the kind people that are driving it like it's some kind of ****ing movie or episode of the Walking Dead.

No one said everything is fine. Just some of us are objective enough to understand that it not the end of the world you are desperately trying to make it out to be.


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Has Pete commented on the Sun/Mon #'s? I wanna see what the little weasel wrote.
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Old 04-30-2020, 01:05 AM   #25830
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Has Pete commented on the Sun/Mon #'s? I wanna see what the little weasel wrote.
Who knows. Several members and a few mods have called his dangerous bullshit out yet when I do it 1 mod continues to warn both of us and then Pete goes the personal attack route called out by a few posters. Shit is jokes. Non political thread then links some shit to Glenn Beck lol
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