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Old 04-03-2019, 08:45 AM  
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Joker - Warner Bros. movie

New teaser....I'm intrigued


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Old 12-08-2019, 09:52 PM   #211
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I finally saw this. I thought it was pretty good- a fresh take on the Joker. Loved the delusion, hallucinations, and complete nosedive into madness.

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Old 12-08-2019, 11:09 PM   #212
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I hope there isn't a sequel to this. I don't even know how a non-origin story would work with joker.
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Old 12-11-2019, 11:17 AM   #213
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Underrated flick. Here's hoping JP wins best actor.
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Old 01-27-2020, 12:05 PM   #214
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Watched it over the weekend. Found it quite disturbing in parts.

Very well made though.
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Old 01-27-2020, 03:52 PM   #215
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I hope there isn't a sequel to this. I don't even know how a non-origin story would work with joker.
Joker seems so far to take place in a realistic universe. If they were to move forward with a sequel I'm not sure the current version of Joker would be THE Joker. Something tells me this would morph into a sort of mantel that a 'worthy' villain would wear as the head of a small but deadly anarchist group.

Perhaps JP would still be THE Joker, just old and frail and operating from a secret location dictating operations. Bruce Wayne was very young in the film, so let's say its 20 years minimum until he is The Batman. That would put JP near 60 or more in that universe, and he didn't exactly seem healthy.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:07 PM   #216
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If there is a sequel, I would like to see it tied into the Joker by Heath Ledger. Possibly a 20 year descent into crime related madness and the conclusion would be the bank heist that was the opening to Dark Knight.
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Old 01-27-2020, 08:11 PM   #217
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If there is a sequel, I would like to see it tied into the Joker by Heath Ledger. Possibly a 20 year descent into crime related madness and the conclusion would be the bank heist that was the opening to Dark Knight.
That wouldnt work. Because Joaquin Phoenix's joker is mid 40s. So Ledgers Joker would be in his mid 60s???
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Old 01-27-2020, 08:49 PM   #218
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So how would he go on a 20 year crime spree and yet he's still a relative unknown in both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.
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Old 01-28-2020, 11:43 AM   #219
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That wouldnt work. Because Joaquin Phoenix's joker is mid 40s. So Ledgers Joker would be in his mid 60s???
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So how would he go on a 20 year crime spree and yet he's still a relative unknown in both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.
Problems, Problems, Problems. That's what a screenwriter's job is, to solve continuity. Heath Ledger wore heavy makeup and was never seen without it, age is not something viewers would be hung up on. As long as he is nimble, quick and mean, it will work. I could write super hero flicks.



Twenty year crime spree doesn't mean he pulling bank heists every week, it could be penny-ante non-sense, he's going mad, what does the level of the crime matter. Eventually he regains his senses and forms a gang, then comes the banks and the mob hits. Of course, he has no loyalty to his gang because he hires all losers. Anyone that gets in his way, hence the bank heist at the opening of Dark Knight and the killing of his gang members.

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Old 01-28-2020, 12:03 PM   #220
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That shit wouldn’t work. Now if you want to have it so that Heath Ledger’s Joker idolizes Phoenix’s Joker....then it might work. Your idea won’t work.
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Old 01-28-2020, 12:14 PM   #221
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That shit wouldn’t work. Now if you want to have it so that Heath Ledger’s Joker idolizes Phoenix’s Joker....then it might work. Your idea won’t work.
I bet if they made it, you would be first in line to see it and say how great it was. You know the saying, build it and they will come. It's a super hero movie, it's not real life, you can make any shit work in movies.
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Old 01-29-2020, 06:42 AM   #222
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Here's an old article, more like a blog, that I dug up while thinking about the timeline of the Dark Knight trilogy. I'll put the entire thing here in a spoiler tag so it won't be a giant wall of text in the thread:


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What do you think? Is this guy right? Can this be used to consider how Pheonix's Joker fits in, or if it does fit in? Doing a similar search I read that Joker is set in 1981. That would make the introduction of the character into the Dark Knight universe happen 27 years after the Pheonix Joker. So, suppose that Pheonix Joker goes on a domestic terrorism spree in the sequel during the 80's. Lots of material to work with there. He could take on the persona of a terrorist/serial killer/chaos engine and Ledger's Joker could be using that as an inspiration just as the Dark Knight uses fear to fight criminals.
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Old 01-31-2020, 11:14 AM   #223
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Yes, I said 1982 because they said “30 years ago she was in Arkham” and the clip board was dated 1952. So that’s the answer.


Not a comic book fan but this movie was excellent. It’s got heavy political overtones obv (with both alt-right and Bernie Bros claiming it as their anthem), and mental illness stigma.


The scene where he aces Deniro was gripping: “YOU GET WHAT YOU FING DESERVE!!!” But I don’t quite understand why he killed his mom. Because he believed she lied to him about Wayne?
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Old 01-31-2020, 08:49 PM   #224
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Theres a scene with a theater marquee that says 'Blow Out' and "Zorro the Gay Blade'

Both released in summer of 1981
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Old 02-01-2020, 03:40 AM   #225
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So how would he go on a 20 year crime spree and yet he's still a relative unknown in both Batman Begins and The Dark Knight.

In the style of Charles Manson he becomes a sort of insane violent guru. He moves from group to group inciting chaos and inspiring others to do the dirty work. The state and then federal authorities get involved but they can never quite pin him down, as he becomes well known among international terrorist organizations and organized crime families. Those groups use him to further their agendas and he goes along with it because he's just in it for the ride and doesn't really care what happens.

One of the threads in the sequel could be conspiracy theory talk show hosts bringing guests on who claim to know of the existence of 'The Joker' only to be laughed at and dismissed by the vast majority. Leading to a scene where Pheonix shows up as a guest and purposefully kills any serious consideration of his existence by pretending to be caught out as a fraud.


At some point the authorities get too close and he instructs those closest to him to go on divergent sets of missions to muddy the waters. He tells them that as long as they remain active then 'The Joker' will never die. Meanwhile he goes an an extremely violent suicide mission that he frames on a lead investigator leaving the authorities to wonder if 'The Joker' was one of their own or if he ever really existed at all.




Ledger's Joker is a member of one of those cells started by Pheonix's closest followers.
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