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ToxSocks · 08-09-2019, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Even back in vanilla people were 4 manning Onyxia. People were just terrible and the game back then which made it seem "difficult." I wont be surprised at all if its less than a week before some hardcore private server players are 10 manning MC.

Oh come on, those people way out-geared the content at that point. Shit like that was incredibly rare and far, far from the norm. Look at the dates and the gear on those YouTube videos.

They're rockin' full on T3 gear while slaying a pre-raid "raid" boss. Not even T1. Nothing to do with people being terrible. There just wasn't much in terms of theory crafting back then, and the gear from Naxx was sooo much stronger then what was available in T1. Naxx was the pinnacle of raiding at the time and very few actually completed it, as it required guilds to be decked out in full T2, and most weren't even that.

jd1020 · 08-09-2019, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Oh come on, those people way out-geared the content at that point. Shit like that was incredibly rare and far, far from the norm.

It was rare because most people were keyboard turning and clicking.

Are you going to say that the boss fights are even remotely comparable to what they are in retail? There are so many mechanics in retail on any given boss fight its insane. In MC the boss fight will simply be dont stand in this location for the 1 mechanic the fight offers or making sure you have 3 people that can decurse. The game was mind numbingly easy and nothing complex started happening til way late in the life cycle.

Most people didn't complete Naxx because it wasn't out very long before it was dated because TBC was coming out. That's why Naxx was re-released in Wrath.

ToxSocks · 08-09-2019, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

It was rare because most people were keyboard turning and clicking.

Are you going to say that the boss fights are even remotely comparable to what they are in retail? There are so many mechanics in retail on any given boss fight its insane. In MC the boss fight will simply be dont stand in this location for the 1 mechanic the fight offers or making sure you have 3 people that can decurse. The game was mind numbingly easy and nothing complex started happening til way late in the life cycle.

Most people didn't complete Naxx because it wasn't out very long before it was dated because TBC was coming out. That's why Naxx was re-released in Wrath.

No, of course not. Today's fight mechanics are considerably more complex.

But like anything in WoW, content is gated by gear. Yes, the mechanics will be easy in theory, but the lack of HP pools and mana pools will amplify every mistake made. As the raid team gears, the content will get easier.

jd1020 · 08-09-2019, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

No, of course not. Today's fight mechanics are considerably more complex.

But like anything in WoW, content is gated by gear. Yes, the mechanics will be easy in theory, but the lack of HP pools and mana pools will amplify every mistake made.

I think you will be surprised by just have much the skill of the people playing has changed and how easy the content will be cleared once its released. Hell, even in TBC guilds in Asia were clearing Black Temple in Tier 3 with Thunderfury's and shit.

ToxSocks · 08-09-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I think you will be surprised by just have much the skill of the people playing has changed and how easy the content will be cleared once its released. Hell, even in TBC guilds in Asia were clearing Black Temple in Tier 3 with Thunderfury's and shit.

Depends on if we're discussing top guilds, or most guilds. I don't care how quickly top 10 guilds will clear content. The work and time put into that is insane. Most guilds, however, will not be 4-maning Onyxia anytime soon, or 10-maning MC within a week of release. Not even top 10 guilds will be doing that. Skill can only tkae you so far. WoW gates content through player power.

jd1020 · 08-09-2019, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Depends on if we're discussing top guilds, or most guilds. I don't care how quickly top 10 guilds will clear content. The work and time put into that is insane. Most guilds, however, will not be 4-maning Onyxia anytime soon, or 10-maning MC within a week of release. Not even top 10 guilds will be doing that. Skill can only tkae you so far. WoW gates content through player power.

And people that have been playing on private servers for the last decade have crunched the numbers and learned shit that no one knew at the time that they can start collecting best in slot pre raid gear as early as level 40.