Avengers (4) Endgame - Spoilers Welcome Thread

[arrowheadnation]

Originally Posted by O.city

This is some of my issues. I loved it, but the whole time travel thing is always going to **** up timelines I think.

Cap stayed in the old days, but the other Cap was still in the ice and went thru everything this cap did or was that now changed?

All the other movies still stand technically, but time travel is always so hard to do. I wish they could have gone another way.

By going with the separate realities method, this allows them to have all of their different Disney+ TV shows each not effect the other or the movies....sort of a cop-out, but it makes sense because then you don't have to keep track of as many things. However, I really hope they don't do this and they have them all exist in the same reality so they can crossover at times. Right now we know there is going to be a Loki show, a Scarlet Witch and Vision show, and the Falcon and Winter Soldier show (with a possibility of a Hawkeye show as well) all starring the original actors.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by O.city

This is some of my issues. I loved it, but the whole time travel thing is always going to **** up timelines I think.

Cap stayed in the old days, but the other Cap was still in the ice and went thru everything this cap did or was that now changed?

All the other movies still stand technically, but time travel is always so hard to do. I wish they could have gone another way.

The Russos strongly hinted that if Chris Evans ever wants to return, there may be some alt-timeline Cap stories to tell.

[JD10367]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

The Russos strongly hinted that if Chris Evans ever wants to return, there may be some alt-timeline Cap stories to tell.

Going by how Endgame portrays time travel, going to the past in your reality doesn't alter your reality but instead sends the reality you went to on a different timeline. So, for example, if you went back and killed Hitler, you would create an alternate Hitler-free reality but returning to your time you'd still find Hitler in the history books.

Now, Cap going back to the 40s/50s (judging by the car in the last scene) creates an interesting alternate reality because a) that act creates a different reality for that version of Earth and b) it doesn't even disturb the Cap from that reality because he's still in the ice. (Although he'll be pissed to wake up and find out he's been frozen for most of a century and an alt-Cap came back and spent 50 years ****ing his sweetheart.) So that Cap could feel free to **** with that reality's Hydra as much or as little as he pleased, because it only changes that reality and not his. I doubt Cap could stand by and not mess with Hydra but, judging by his ability to return to his reality as an old man, apparently he made it through safe and sound.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Going by how Endgame portrays time travel, going to the past in your reality doesn't alter your reality but instead sends the reality you went to on a different timeline. So, for example, if you went back and killed Hitler, you would create an alternate Hitler-free reality but returning to your time you'd still find Hitler in the history books.

Now, Cap going back to the 40s/50s (judging by the car in the last scene) creates an interesting alternate reality because a) that act creates a different reality for that version of Earth and b) it doesn't even disturb the Cap from that reality because he's still in the ice. (Although he'll be pissed to wake up and find out he's been frozen for most of a century and an alt-Cap came back and spent 50 years ****ing his sweetheart.) So that Cap could feel free to **** with that reality's Hydra as much or as little as he pleased, because it only changes that reality and not his. I doubt Cap could stand by and not mess with Hydra but, judging by his ability to return to his reality as an old man, apparently he made it through safe and sound.

But you're going back to your own reality just at a different time.

[Chiefspants]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Going by how Endgame portrays time travel, going to the past in your reality doesn't alter your reality but instead sends the reality you went to on a different timeline. So, for example, if you went back and killed Hitler, you would create an alternate Hitler-free reality but returning to your time you'd still find Hitler in the history books.

Now, Cap going back to the 40s/50s (judging by the car in the last scene) creates an interesting alternate reality because a) that act creates a different reality for that version of Earth and b) it doesn't even disturb the Cap from that reality because he's still in the ice. (Although he'll be pissed to wake up and find out he's been frozen for most of a century and an alt-Cap came back and spent 50 years ****ing his sweetheart.) So that Cap could feel free to **** with that reality's Hydra as much or as little as he pleased, because it only changes that reality and not his. I doubt Cap could stand by and not mess with Hydra but, judging by his ability to return to his reality as an old man, apparently he made it through safe and sound.

This is exactly what the Russo’s implied. That he stayed in that reality and it was a new one from the universe we’ve seen. Also implied that it could be “revisited”.

Makes me think Evans might have indicated he’d be “open” to returning after a certain amount of time. This ending gives Marvel the flexibility to say goodbye to his character or return to it since he’d be in a different universe.

A noir Cap or a 1970’s espionage movie vs Hydra with Peggy and Howard does sound wonderful.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

This is exactly what the Russo’s implied. That he stayed in that reality and it was a new one from the universe we’ve seen. Also implied that it could be “revisited”.

Makes me think Evans might have indicated he’d be “open” to returning after a certain amount of time. This ending gives Marvel the flexibility to say goodbye to his character or return to it since he’d be in a different universe.

A noir Cap or a 1970’s espionage movie vs Hydra with Peggy and Howard does sound wonderful.

But if he stayed in a different universe, how was he there at the end as an old man?

Are we thinking the old man Cap was actually him coming back from said other universe to the current one via the quantum realm?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by JD10367

Going by how Endgame portrays time travel, going to the past in your reality doesn't alter your reality but instead sends the reality you went to on a different timeline. So, for example, if you went back and killed Hitler, you would create an alternate Hitler-free reality but returning to your time you'd still find Hitler in the history books.

thats the only way time travel is possible as we currently understand according to Einstein’s theory. But, that speed faster than light is not possible either. So who knows?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Chiefspants

The Russos strongly hinted that if Chris Evans ever wants to return, there may be some alt-timeline Cap stories to tell.

But what timeline would that be?

Would it be the one they defeated Thanos in, or the one he went and stayed in? Although I guess technically they would be the same?

**** i'm dumb.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by O.city

But what timeline would that be?

Would it be the one they defeated Thanos in, or the one he went and stayed in? Although I guess technically they would be the same?

**** i'm dumb.

Falcon goes back in time to get the Captain America that never came back and then they jump to the present. Fighting commences. Captain America goes back in time to where they pulled him from and Peggy Carter never notices he's gone.