Conspiracy, the Paranormal, the Unexplained and the Esoteric

[keg in kc]

Figure this would have a better chance of surviving in the Media Center than on the main page, and I'll be adding youtube and podcast links from time to time as I come across them, so it fits.

This has been something that's interested me from a very young age, all aspects of mysterious stuff, whether we're talking forgotten or forbidden archeology or civilization (Atlantis, pre-colombian exploration of america, etc), unexplained events (like Tunguska in 1908, the lost Roanoke Island colony, etc), paranormal events like ghosts, the study of ESP and that sort of thing, conspiracy (ranging from JFK to stuff like the perpetration of the drug war and the infilitration of the media by US intelligence) and, of course, UFOs (which to me means "unexplained" not "extraterrestrial" but that's a whole other topic).

Anything could show up, and everybody should feel free to add whatever they like. Just try to keep it as civil and respectful as possible. This is not intended to be a DC thread; it's as much for entertainment purposes as it is to solve all the world's mysteries.

**Although if anybody posts anything from Third Phase of Moon they should probably expect me to kick them in the balls.**

Few things I like to watch or listen to in no particular order (most of this can be found on itunes as well...):

The Paracast
Binall of America
The Gralian Report
The Paranormal Report
Dark City
Radio Misterioso
Open Minds (mostly their podcast)

That's it for now, just wanted to get this started. Been thinking about doing it for a while...

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by O.city

Keg, what are your thoughts on this Schneider guy I've been reading about? He had some wild claims.

He's old news, story has been around a long time and there really isn't anything to support it. It's entertaining as a story, but I toss it into the same pile as the MJ-12 documents. That is to say that, like most if not all of the MJ-12 stuff, anything we've heard about Dulce is most likely disinformation.

There's a pretty entertaining episode about Dulce from the last season of UFO Hunters, if you haven't seen it. You can find it on YouTube.

[bevischief]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Anyone else obsessed with the JFK conspiracy?

Been since I was a kid...a trip to Dealey Plaza is still on my bucket list, I'm hoping for this year.

Go watch Dr Mary's monkey if you are into the JFK conspiracy.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Raise your hand if you listen to the night time radio show Ground Zero. And if you do, what are your thoughts on his shows?

Yeah, I listen to Clyde Lewis on soundcloud.

He's interesting in a whack-a-doodle sort of way. Covers the whole gamut from ghosts to aliens to demons to Cern is trying to open a portal to Hell.

He's a lot like Art Bell in that you can't really tell what he believes. He sees his show as avenue for people to get their info out, and he'll let them hang themselves. But sometimes it just comes across as him believing literally everything, a problem Art also used to have. But Clyde will throw tantrums if his callers disagree, which can be really entertaining some nights, and a show killer other nights.

Any of his political shows lately have pretty much sucked. But his 'disclosure is coming in 2017' one last night was fun. He covered some of the NSA/CIA releases from earlier in the week. If, as he was saying, they acknowledged the existence of Project Stargate, then things might be getting interesting...

(That was the remote viewing/telekinetics program rumored to exist decades ago)

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

He's old news, story has been around a long time and there really isn't anything to support it. It's entertaining as a story, but I toss it into the same pile as the MJ-12 documents. That is to say that, like most if not all of the MJ-12 stuff, anything we've heard about Dulce is most likely disinformation.

There's a pretty entertaining episode about Dulce from the last season of UFO Hunters, if you haven't seen it. You can find it on YouTube.

Personal, passionate testimony is quite a bit different than a bunch of old, redacted documents

Then throw in the strange circumstances surrounding this guys death

You love the paranormal, but always seem to poo-poo some of the best info surrounding it... I've never quite understood that

Read up on the subject and make up your own mind, O City

[keg in kc]

I'm just not somebody who's going to believe everything I hear, no matter how passionate the storyteller may be. It's just a story until there's some verifiable evidence to back it up.

Not sure what documents, redacted or not, have to do with it. I'm more of a 'multiple witnesses taking video from multiple viewpoints' kind of guy.

An example of what I look for is the Phoenix Lights. Too many independent witnesses and too much footage to dismiss. Something was there. Something big. And definitely not flares.

On the flip side, one guy spinning a tale is entertaining, no doubt, but it's about as far from concrete as you can get.

And I tend to believe there is a great deal of disinformation going on at all times. I think the UFO mythos has been used to cover up our own stuff since shortly after ww2. In the 50s it was the development of the Blackbird, in the 70s the stealth fighters and bombers, in the 80s and 90s the drone technology we see now. All of that had a UFO profile (in appearance) and I believe the DoD used that as cover and still does to this day.

At the same time, I believe some sightings are also genuinely something more exotic. What that may be I don't know.

[Easy 6]

I'm not going to believe every single thing I read on the webs either... but between my own personal experiences, and those of people with the legitimate credentials to merit attention, there is a pretty good read on things to be had

Disinformation and percentages of/variations on the truth is 80% of whats available to us, of that there no doubt... so we definitely agree there

[O.city]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

He's old news, story has been around a long time and there really isn't anything to support it. It's entertaining as a story, but I toss it into the same pile as the MJ-12 documents. That is to say that, like most if not all of the MJ-12 stuff, anything we've heard about Dulce is most likely disinformation.

There's a pretty entertaining episode about Dulce from the last season of UFO Hunters, if you haven't seen it. You can find it on YouTube.

It's just one of those extraordinary claims needs extraordinary evidence things for me. Grey's and reptiloids and all that jazz, just seems wild.

I'm relatively newbie to this lingo, but when you say dulce is disinformation, explain that a bit.

[BlackOp]

People are so far off the path....there is ONE esoteric philosophy. Hermetics is the core driver of the Freemasons. Its amazing....unfortunately the Jesuits have infiltrated their ranks. When you hear people speak of the NWO...it's them (Jesuits). They are the cancer of humanity. Period.

Plato spent a lot of time in Egypt...studying Hermes and Hermetic principles. It is the foundation of all modern philosophy/science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYTJwgXjb7w&t=466s

As far as recent history of America and JFK...this is pretty great. Welcome to the America you were never told about...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyFNsNZhSeg

[O.city]

That's a long YouTube video there. I'm about half way thru. Crazy stuff.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's just one of those extraordinary claims needs extraordinary evidence things for me. Grey's and reptiloids and all that jazz, just seems wild.

I'm relatively newbie to this lingo, but when you say dulce is disinformation, explain that a bit.

Disinformation is basically some agency divulging information that isn't true to further an agenda they're persuing. There's a lot of hints that the NSA kept tabs on false stories they leaked into ufology in the past to gauge who much real information was being leaked to foreign sources. Look up Paul Bennewitz and Bill Moore and Richard Doty.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Disinformation is basically some agency divulging information that isn't true to further an agenda they're persuing. There's a lot of hints that the NSA kept tabs on false stories they leaked into ufology in the past to gauge who much real information was being leaked to foreign sources. Look up Paul Bennewitz and Bill Moore and Richard Doty.

That's what I thought. What would be the reason for that though?

[keg in kc]

Could be any number of reasons. Keep the public looking at the right hand so they don't see what's in the left is my personal favorite. Have people talking about aliens instead of our own crazy tech, which in the testing phase is decades ahead of anything we use overtly. Again, use the ufo community to smoke out who might be leaking real information to the Russians or the Chinese (or our allies). Just to name a few possibilities.

Part of the reason I mentioned those three names is that they tie in directly with the Dulce mythology.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Could be any number of reasons. Keep the public looking at the right hand so they don't see what's in the left is my personal favorite. Have people talking about aliens instead of our own crazy tech, which in the testing phase is decades ahead of anything we use overtly. Again, use the ufo community to smoke out who might be leaking real information to the Russians or the Chinese (or our allies). Just to name a few possibilities.

Part of the reason I mentioned those three names is that they tie in directly with the Dulce mythology.

Yeah I read alot of it. Like I said, seems wild. I tend to fall into believing too much crazy stuff but that's out there.

I tend to think there's alot of stuff we the public don't know about, I've always thought ufo/alien stuff is one of them.

[keg in kc]

I don't really have a 'belief', but my personal theory is that most sightings are misidentification of something normal (let's say 95%), followed by sighting of experimental or test aircraft (4%), followed by something closed system (ie terrestrial but unexplained - .67%), followed by extraterrestrial or extradimensional.

And I don't think any government has any real clue what's going on. Which is why I think the US in particular is so secretive: they don't want to admit the existence of things in our skies they have no control over and very little understanding of. Which is another reason to promote disinformation, I would suggest. Better to have people believe they're in contact and in control.

I have next to no interest in ghosts or spirits or demons, but my pet theory there is that places can in some inexplicable way record echoes of people or events. It's an exceedingly rare phenomenon based on the simple fact that we're not overrun with apparitions on a daily basis.

Cryptozoology is interesting but there's not a lot solid there, either.

Maybe my second favorite area outside of UFO lore is lost history. It's one of the rare times I will say I believe something, that being that human history goes much, much farther into the past than acadamia accepts, that a lot of what we think we know is simply wrong, and most tenured members of academia actively dissuade the study of this. Although I think that's changing with younger academics.

[BlackOp]

Here is low budget video, basically a guy reading the obscure book "The "Secret Terrorists". It details the 1814 Congress of Vienna...and the meeting where European elite/aristocracy laid the ground work for returning all free countries back to a monarchical system through covert means. It was called the Holy Alliance.

Jefferson was so concerned about this....it ushered in the Monroe Doctrine. Yes...this conspiracy has been alive for a long time.

It also details how the Jesuit order is, to this day, the key perpetrators in chaos, war, assassinations, despotism and financial terror. This is the top of the food chain...as far as the NWO is concerned. All the European banking dynasties answer to them. All roads lead to Rome...

Adolfo Nicolás Pachón is the current "Black Pope"...he is the general of the Jesuit Order.

Just in case you are unaware of who the Jesuits are....they are the "Pope's army"...the military arm. They are ruthless...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML3ijmcmV4o