Alright, fix the defense. (In-season version.)

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

What would it take to get Barnett? Would he need a deal soon?

Yeah, he has those silly 'void' years on his deal as part of a restructure for 2021.

I'm not actually sure how the dead cap figures work on void years. I think they trigger when the trade is made and thus end up as dead cap on the trading teams figures the following season. Mostly because they're fake years - he's already been paid the amounts 'due' in those seasons, they exist solely for the purpose of pro-rating the deal out. If he's already been paid the money, then the cap hit falls to the team dealing him.

But it's not impossible that they follow the player to the acquiring team and then hit that teams cap the following season. In which case I'm disinclined to trade for Barnett and carry a $7 million dead cap charge next season due to the voided years.

But I think for that to be the case, those amounts will need to have not been paid yet - in which case it's not a 'voided years' situation but rather a situation with guaranteed salary still due.

So I'm fairly confident the Eagles would take the cap hit if they traded him, but not 100% positive.

EDIT: The 'career earnings' tab on Spotrac says he made $10.1 million this year, which means he got all that in a lump sum with the void years there for pro-rating purposes, in which case it's on the Eagles cap, not the Chiefs if they trade for him.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, he has those silly 'void' years on his deal as part of a restructure for 2021.

I'm not actually sure how the dead cap figures work on void years. I think they trigger when the trade is made and thus end up as dead cap on the trading teams figures the following season. Mostly because they're fake years - he's already been paid the amounts 'due' in those seasons, they exist solely for the purpose of pro-rating the deal out. If he's already been paid the money, then the cap hit falls to the team dealing him.

But it's not impossible that they follow the player to the acquiring team and then hit that teams cap the following season. In which case I'm disinclined to trade for Barnett and carry a $7 million dead cap charge next season due to the voided years.

But I think for that to be the case, those amounts will need to have not been paid yet - in which case it's not a 'voided years' situation but rather a situation with guaranteed salary still due.

So I'm fairly confident the Eagles would take the cap hit if they traded him, but not 100% positive.

EDIT: The 'career earnings' tab on Spotrac says he made $10.1 million this year, which means he got all that in a lump sum with the void years there for pro-rating purposes, in which case it's on the Eagles cap, not the Chiefs if they trade for him.

So would you think we're talking like, a 3rd or 4th ish?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

So would you think we're talking like, a 3rd or 4th ish?

{shrug}

5th year option is only guaranteed for injury - they could've walked away from him in the offseason and instead decided to pay him $10 million in a way that hurts their cap next season.

So they clearly put some value on him.

I still say you peddle LDT, but that ship may have sailed at this point - just too far into the season to get up to speed on the offense. But the Eagles are having OL issues right now and might just listen.

[Bowser]

Break out the defensive schemes we used the remainder of the season and playoffs after losing to the Tits in '19 that put us at 6-4

Get our walking wounded back on the field so their backups don't have to play every down

Nab Taco back from the Stealers, and learn to live with Kaindoh and his growing pains

For the love of all things holy, admit Jones at end was a mistake and put him back where he made his fame and fortune

[DJ's left nut]

I mean ultimately his 2019 season is easily better than anything Ogbah ever had before coming to KC. And Charlton, even if Taco didn't work out as well.

For that matter it is probably better than anything Okafor managed prior to coming to KC. And he's a high-pedigree player given his college career and draft status.

If you think he's a genuine 'change of scenery' candidate, I don't think it would hurt to see if you could get him for a 4th. A 3rd seems an overpay unless you think you can get him re-signed without breaking the bank.

He has ability even if he's been fairly disappointing at times.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I mean ultimately his 2019 season is easily better than anything Ogbah ever had before coming to KC. And Charlton, even if Taco didn't work out as well.

For that matter it is probably better than anything Okafor managed prior to coming to KC. And he's a high-pedigree player given his college career and draft status.

If you think he's a genuine 'change of scenery' candidate, I don't think it would hurt to see if you could get him for a 4th. A 3rd seems an overpay unless you think you can get him re-signed without breaking the bank.

He has ability even if he's been fairly disappointing at times.

If they're committed to Jones at DE, Barnett opposite would be nice especially if you could get him for a decent deal and not a monster one.

[DJ's left nut]

Q

[O.city]

Thing is, the offense is going at a historic pace. Like 98 Vikings/13 Broncos type pace. You can't let that go to waste with a shitbird defense.

So they need to do something. Add a vet DE that can rush the passer, do something.

[duncan_idaho]

Here's a name I started thinking about this morning:

Dante Fowler, Jr.

His production doesn't quite match his rush success rate, but he's still young, has some left in the tank, and wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.

His deal has an out after this year, so if he doesn't want to pick it up, he can walk. Chiefs also could cut him/walk if they want, as they wouldn't be on the hook for signing bonuses.

But if he does work, it would give KC someone they can use as part of the unit next year, when the DL needs to be rebuilt.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Here's a name I started thinking about this morning:

Dante Fowler, Jr.

His production doesn't quite match his rush success rate, but he's still young, has some left in the tank, and wouldn't be prohibitively expensive.

His deal has an out after this year, so if he doesn't want to pick it up, he can walk. Chiefs also could cut him/walk if they want, as they wouldn't be on the hook for signing bonuses.

But if he does work, it would give KC someone they can use as part of the unit next year, when the DL needs to be rebuilt.

Fair or otherwise, it's hard to disassociate Fowler and the absolutely horrific Falcons defense/pass rush last season.

He was considered their lead dog last season and he was trash. And it came right after getting paid.

I mean...that's not great.

Seems like he's generally struggled with his hand on the ground and needs to be more of a stand-up rusher to be effective.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Fair or otherwise, it's hard to disassociate Fowler and the absolutely horrific Falcons defense/pass rush last season.

He was considered their lead dog last season and he was trash. And it came right after getting paid.

I mean...that's not great.

Seems like he's generally struggled with his hand on the ground and needs to be more of a stand-up rusher to be effective.

Yeah, that's the rub. His win rate has been pretty good this year. I think it was a Brandon Thorn tweet that showed a true pass rush win rate. Not sure how he's calculating it, but it piqued my interest.

The Falcons stink and should be hitting full rebuild. Getting out of that deal and getting even a 4th or 5th for him should be a win. No idea if that's actually a high-enough price for him, though.

[O.city]

Also Cant Jew running this group of linebackers out there and Willie gay may be going the way of previous mental issues so gotta find something

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Also Cant Jew running this group of linebackers out there and Willie gay may be going the way of previous mental issues so gotta find something

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[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by O.city

Also Cant Jew running this group of linebackers out there and Willie gay may be going the way of previous mental issues so gotta find something

Jew is absolutely lined up in O.city's autocorrect