Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs

[Rain Man]

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.



Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)


Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.


Teams As Of Post #113:


Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)

[Kellerfox]

Hello - prospective expansion franchise owner here. Thinking about setting this up tonight or tomorrow. Beyond the rules in the OP, any advice from you seasoned veterans?

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

Hello - prospective expansion franchise owner here. Thinking about setting this up tonight or tomorrow. Beyond the rules in the OP, any advice from you seasoned veterans?

It would be great if you did. Not many of us anymore. It's a fun exercise in that it provides some perspective on recoginizing talent year-over-year.

You end up needing to fill holes in your roster every season, sometimes surprising, and it tests you. I planned on going into this season looking to probably add more juice to my pass rush again, add a big-play WR, and so on, and now the Chiefs throw me a stud LG when I'm already pretty stout on the interior and leave me with no plan at OT. So, there are things like that where you think you're putting together a great roster and then you lose guys that you inherited to start.

Just keep drafting the best you can, trying to plan ahead for what the Chiefs will likely lose to FA that you will also lose while filling the holes. It definitely helps if you can hit on some of those mid-round guys in the 3rd-5th. It's strengthened my roster quite a bit at positions like WR, RB, and S. A year like this, where we'll have extra mid-rounders again, I'll probably do the same as I have in some other situations and throw two darts at the same position, hoping I hit on one of the two. Last year I did it with WR and hit on Davis while Peoples-Jones doesn't look so hot. I threw 2 picks at RB in 2017 in the 5th and 7th and hit on both... so you never know.

You get a bit of a benefit of hindsight in terms of where players end up going in the draft, but it's still on you to pick the right guys, and that's the fun in it for me.

[Kellerfox]

Inaugural Press Conference

GM Kellerfox: “greetings fellow football aficionados of Chiefs Planet. Today, I am pleased to introduce to you the Tacoma Trash Pandas.”

(Curtain drops on the stage behind Kellerfox revealing a massive Racoon logo)

“The new expansion franchise is backed by a core investment group led by MacKenzie Scott (wanting to one-up her ex-husband Jeff Bezos by owning an NFL franchise first), Bill Gates, Tony Parker, and the estate of late rapper DMX.”

Building on Scott’s and Gates’s philanthropic backgrounds, the team has decided to locate in Tacoma, WA in an effort to spurn economic development and opportunity in Washington’s “forgotten” big city. Tacoma is largely comprised of hard working blue collar individuals, and our bargain-bin market analysis suggests that some of them may be football fans. Give the amount of “f**k you” money our two leads have, they elect to build the new stadium 100% through private funding. Although neither one does it for the press or publicity, their marketing teams quietly ensure the club gets full credit and recognition for their “generous donation” into the community.

[Kellerfox]

Inaugural Roster
(work in progress - I know I’m over the 53 limit, will cut down before the season)

QB:
Patrick Mahomes (Chiefs)
Chad Henne (Chiefs)
Jordan Ta’Amu (Chiefs)

RB:
Clyde Edwards-Helaire(Chiefs)
Darrel Williams (Chiefs)
Darwin Thompson (Chiefs)

FB:
Michael Burton (Chiefs)

WR:
Tyreek Hill (Chiefs)
Mecole Hardman (Chiefs)
Demarcus Robinson (Chiefs)
Byron Pringle (Chiefs)
Marcus Kemp (Chiefs)
Antonio Callaway (Chiefs)
Jody Fortson (Chiefs)
Tajae Sharpe (Chiefs)
Chad Williams (Chiefs)

TE:
Travis Kelce (Chiefs)
Nick Keizer (Chiefs)
Blake Bell (Chiefs)

OT:
Lucas Niang (Chiefs)
Mike Remmers (Chiefs)
Martinas Rankin (Chiefs)
Prince Tega Wango (Chiefs)
Yasir Durant (Chiefs)

OG:
Joe Thuney (Chiefs)
Kyle Long (Chiefs)
Laurent Duvernay-Tardif (Chiefs)
Andrew Wylie (Chiefs)

OC:
Austin Blythe (Chiefs)
Nick Allegretti (Chiefs)
Darryl Williams (Chiefs)

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DT:
Chris Jones (Chiefs)
Jarran Reed (Chiefs)
Khalen Saunders (Chiefs)
Derrick Nnadi (Chiefs)
Tershawn Wharton (Chiefs)

DE:
Frank Clark (Chiefs)
Taco Charlton (Chiefs)
Mike Danna (Chiefs)
Tim Ward (Chiefs)
Demone Harris (Chiefs)

OLB:
Willie Gay Jr. (Chiefs)
Dorian O’Daniel (Chiefs)
Darius Harris (Chiefs)
Omari Cobb (Chiefs)

ILB:
Anthony Hitchens (Chiefs)
Ben Niemann (Chiefs)

CB:
L’Jarius Sneed (Chiefs)
Charvarius Ward (Chiefs)
Rashad Fenton (Chiefs)
De’Andre Baker (Chiefs)
Bopete Keyes (Chiefs)
Chris Lammons (Chiefs)

FS:
Juan Thornhill (Chiefs)
Armani Watts (Chiefs)

SS:
Tyrann Mathieu (Chiefs)
Daniel Sorensen (Chiefs)

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P:
Tommy Townsend (Chiefs)

K:
Harrison Butker (Chiefs)

LS:
James Winchester (Chiefs)

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Draft Outlook

GM Kellerfox: “As an expansion franchise we are excited to be given the honor and opportunity to jumpstart our franchise with the #1 overall pick...”

(Assistant taps me on the shoulder and tells me, in whispered tones, that we are not being provided the same draft luxuries as past expansion franchises like the Texans and Jaguars. Instead, we have been given the Chiefs draft picks because the NFL has decided that having Patrick Mahomes is just unfair from a competitive standpoint, and as a results, the Chiefs are not allowed any more draft picks for the duration of Mahomes career. Instead, the Tacoma Trash Pandas will be gifted their picks annually. This kills two birds with one stone as Roger Goodell and his team don’t have to adjust the overall structure of the draft and can leave it at 32 picks per round).


Current Draft Picks:
#1-31
#2-63
#3-94
#4-136
#4-144
#5-175
#5-181
#6-207

Team Needs: Reviewing our roster, it appears that we don’t have a starting LT and desperately need an OLB, and WR #2. Looking forward a year, ILB and DE are also causing us heartburn.

***may be a mistake starting off, but thinking I will execute my one trade down and one trade up to maximize my number of 2nd and 3rd round picks. I’ll work out my proposal and share in a few days to confirm I am correctly interpreting the rules.**

[Rain Man]

Welcome to the game, kellerfox! This has been a fun long-term hobby.

Just to prepare, any current Chief who leaves the team as a free agent will also leave our teams. If a guy is cut, you can opt to keep him.

[Kellerfox]

After mulling it over for a few days - I’m going to stay put with my picks pre-draft.

I was really tempted to bundle #175, #181, and #207 for Washington’s #124 (mid-4th) to increase my odds of getting an extra “hit.” If I wait until after the draft, I should still be able to use those KC picks to get to #131 or #132. Not that much of a difference - I’ll see how the board plays out.

Im also super paranoid about adjusting my draft capitol now and then being precluded from a Draft day trade or a player acquisition (like Orlando Brown). I have to figure that out, and if Veach is moving and shaking, that’s going to be the best answer.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Kellerfox

After mulling it over for a few days - I’m going to stay put with my picks pre-draft.

I was really tempted to bundle #175, #181, and #207 for Washington’s #124 (mid-4th) to increase my odds of getting an extra “hit.” If I wait until after the draft, I should still be able to use those KC picks to get to #131 or #132. Not that much of a difference - I’ll see how the board plays out.

Im also super paranoid about adjusting my draft capitol now and then being precluded from a Draft day trade or a player acquisition (like Orlando Brown). I have to figure that out, and if Veach is moving and shaking, that’s going to be the best answer.

Sometimes you get surprisingly good value because the team makes an in-draft trade up or down. I don't know if I've done a pre-draft trade-up. I wanted to the year Mahomes was drafted because I thought the Chiefs wouldn't go up and get him but decided to stay pat and they did it. Never a happier a camper.

[Rain Man]

Tell me if I'm missing anyone, but in free agency it looks like you can add the following guys to your roster:

Joe Thuney
Kyle Long
Blake Bell
Jarran Reed
Austin Blythe
Michael Burton

And remove the following guys if they were on your roster.

Tanoh Kpassagnon
Damien Wilson

You have the option of retaining any players who were released (e.g, Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, etc.)

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

Tell me if I'm missing anyone, but in free agency it looks like you can add the following guys to your roster:

Joe Thuney
Kyle Long
Blake Bell
Jarran Reed
Austin Blythe
Michael Burton

And remove the following guys if they were on your roster.

Tanoh Kpassagnon
Damien Wilson

You have the option of retaining any players who were released (e.g, Eric Fisher, Mitchell Schwartz, etc.)

I think add to removes?

Sammy Watkins
Ricky Seals Jones

[kccrow]

Rainman, can you verify this for draft picks?

Option to accept the in-season trade of DeAndre Washington (if on your roster) and 2021 7th for 2021 6th
Option to trade 2021 1st #31, 3rd #94, 4th #136 2022 5th for OT Orlando Brown Jr. 2021 2nd #58 and 2022 6th

Picks

1-31 (if not trading for Brown)
2-58 (if trading for Brown)
2-63
3-94 (if not trading for Brown)
4-136 (if not trading for Brown)
4-144 (comp)
5-175
5-181 (comp)
6-207 (if trading Washington)
6-215 (if didn't accept trade for 2020 7th to pick Keyes)
7-258 (if not trading Washington)

[kccrow]

The decision of whether or not to trade for Brown and then whether or not to make a pre-draft move this year if I do is the hardest I've faced so far. Ugh.

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I think add to removes?

Sammy Watkins
Ricky Seals Jones

Thanks. Let's remove them if they're around.

Watkins was my #1 receiver, believe it or not. I apparently stink at drafting receivers.

[Rain Man]

We all know this, but if you want Orlando Brown, Jr., you will ...

lose pick #31
lose pick #94
lose pick #136

gain pick #58

and then some stuff next year that we'll address then.

If you have Deandre Washington on your roster, you can trade him and pick #258 for pick #207. (I think those slots are right.)

[Rain Man]

One thing I've learned over the years is that it's hard to draft left tackles, so even though I enjoy drafting I'm definitely going to accept the Orlando Brown trade.

[chiefscafan]

Ok so I’m accepting brown trade as Rainman said it’s hard to find a LT


So far I love the chiefs picks


I gues I have 258 and not 207