Draft - Day 2: who do like for KC?

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by staylor26

CB

Fulton
Johnson
Hall
Dantzler
Robertson
Robinson
Holmes

LB/S:

Gay
Wilson
Chinn
McKinney
Delpit
Dugger
Burgess
Dye
Davis-Gaither
Taylor

Just give me 1 of each and I’ll be ecstatic.

When you start tacking on possible receiver options and DE's you gotta wonder why people are talking trade up. Doesn't make sense.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

When you start tacking on possible receiver options and DE's you gotta wonder why people are talking trade up. Doesn't make sense.

Cause there are a few guys there that should have been 1st round picks, Antoine Winfield will be an all pro one day.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Cause there are a few guys there that should have been 1st round picks, Antoine Winfield will be an all pro one day.

The best drafters stick to the board and wait it out. There's no need to flip out.

They're going to need all of their picks in 2021.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

The best drafters stick to the board and wait it out. There's no need to flip out.

They're going to need all of their picks in 2021.

Bullshit. They all move around strategically. You can't point to Baltimore or Pittsburgh or anyone. They've all moved up and around, especially recently. It pays dividends. Did the Steelers, everyone's model for "wait and see," sit and wait for Devin Bush? Nope, they went up and got him and he had 109 tackles for them last year.

I would agree you have to be very calculated about the when but to say "just sit there," more or less at all costs, isn't always best practice either.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

When you start tacking on possible receiver options and DE's you gotta wonder why people are talking trade up. Doesn't make sense.

Plenty of okay DEs out there, but I don't see Epenesa as an "okay" DE. If he ran 4.7 he'd have been a top-15 pick guaranteed. No doubt in my mind at all. The guy had 22 sacks and 30.5 tackles for a loss the past 2 seasons in the Big 10 and looks great on tape. Just like people talk about CEH and that 10-yard burst, watch Epenesa in a 10-yard window. Same thing. Explosive. Comparatively, Chase Young against similar competition had 27 sacks and 35.5 tackles for a loss and he went #2 overall.

I wouldn't trade like that for anyone else in the 2nd. He's it. The rest I'd sit and let things fall to me.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Plenty of okay DEs out there, but I don't see Epenesa as an "okay" DE. If he ran 4.7 he'd have been a top-15 pick guaranteed. No doubt in my mind at all. The guy had 22 sacks and 30.5 tackles for a loss the past 2 seasons in the Big 10 and looks great on tape. Just like people talk about CEH and that 10-yard burst, watch Epenesa in a 10-yard window. Same thing. Explosive. Comparatively, Chase Young against similar competition had 27 sacks and 35.5 tackles for a loss and he went #2 overall.

I wouldn't trade like that for anyone else in the 2nd. He's it. The rest I'd sit and let things fall to me.

I like Epenesa, but probably not as much as you do. I'm not sure if they're really shopping hard this year at that spot.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I like Epenesa, but probably not as much as you do. I'm not sure if they're really shopping hard this year at that spot.

May not be shopping hard but we can see they looked at a few DEs. I think if Veach is sticking to his statement about looking past 2020 as well, then you have to consider that KPass will be gone and Okafor and Speaks will have 1 year remaining. And, I'd argue hard that Epenesa would start over any of them.

I'd look edge rusher later in the day if not for Epenesa. If Gross-Matos tumbled a bit longer, I'd maybe make a small move up to the 50's for him. I think a 2021 3rd would easily do that, maybe a 4th depending on how far you feel you need to go. Otherwise, wait until 96. I don't like any of the rest at 63. Too many other positions I feel have far greater value that will be sitting there.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by kccrow

May not be shopping hard but we can see they looked at a few DEs. I think if Veach is sticking to his statement about looking past 2020 as well, then you have to consider that KPass will be gone and Okafor and Speaks will have 1 year remaining. And, I'd argue hard that Epenesa would start over any of them.

I'd look edge rusher later in the day if not for Epenesa. If Gross-Matos tumbled a bit longer, I'd maybe make a small move up to the 50's for him. I think a 2021 3rd would easily do that, maybe a 4th depending on how far you feel you need to go. Otherwise, wait until 96. I don't like any of the rest at 63. Too many other positions I feel have far greater value that will be sitting there.

I like the Volunteers guy a lot. Would be a fantastic get if he slides to late 3rd.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Plenty of okay DEs out there, but I don't see Epenesa as an "okay" DE. If he ran 4.7 he'd have been a top-15 pick guaranteed. No doubt in my mind at all. The guy had 22 sacks and 30.5 tackles for a loss the past 2 seasons in the Big 10 and looks great on tape. Just like people talk about CEH and that 10-yard burst, watch Epenesa in a 10-yard window. Same thing. Explosive. Comparatively, Chase Young against similar competition had 27 sacks and 35.5 tackles for a loss and he went #2 overall.

I wouldn't trade like that for anyone else in the 2nd. He's it. The rest I'd sit and let things fall to me.

How do you feel about using 2021 picks to try to pick up 2-3 more today?

I proposed 2021 1st and 6th for Miami's 2020 2nd (56), one of their 4ths (136) and one of their 5ths (forget number now).

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

How do you feel about using 2021 picks to try to pick up 2-3 more today?

I proposed 2021 1st and 6th for Miami's 2020 2nd (56), one of their 4ths (136) and one of their 5ths (forget number now).

Think it would take a lot more. Teams don't think NCAAF is happening this year and just don't seem interested in 2021 selections right now.

Originally Posted by kccrow

Bullshit. They all move around strategically. You can't point to Baltimore or Pittsburgh or anyone. They've all moved up and around, especially recently. It pays dividends. Did the Steelers, everyone's model for "wait and see," sit and wait for Devin Bush? Nope, they went up and got him and he had 109 tackles for them last year.

I would agree you have to be very calculated about the when but to say "just sit there," more or less at all costs, isn't always best practice either.

The Steelers had to start doing that out of necessity because they blew a ton of choices. KC is not in that spot.

They've got one true need left.

But to flip your own example right back onto your head. If the Steelers freaked out and traded a future 1 in the last draft they would have no currency to get the value with Fitzpatrick during the season.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Think it would take a lot more. Teams don't think NCAAF is happening this year and just don't seem interested in 2021 selections right now.


The Steelers had to start doing that out of necessity because they blew a ton of choices. KC is not in that spot.

They've got one true need left.

Do you really think Miami is going to make 17 selections?

They're already saying they're open to moving down at 39.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by Mecca

Do you really think Miami is going to make 17 selections?

They're already saying they're open to moving down at 39.

They will move around in the rounds this year as they see fit probably.