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11-12-2019, 04:13 PM | #2 |
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Can count on 15+ of that space disappearing for incentive payouts from 2019 and the 2020 rookie class.
Don't think Ldt is getting released yet. Without a new CBA, June 1st cutting Hitchens won't be possible. They're probably looking at 20 in space without even doing anything with Chris Jones as of yet and that's without even approaching the subject of a Pat extension. Thank god this next draft class will have more corners because we can't afford to buy one. |
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11-12-2019, 04:26 PM | #3 |
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Where are you getting $15 million in incentives?
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11-12-2019, 04:31 PM | #4 |
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Yeah, here's my long-ass review on that from a different thread:
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We're essentially seeing the same thing. There's not a lot of wiggle on this roster for next season at all. At best you're looking a a 40 man roster w/ $50 million in cap space and holes EVERYWHERE. And no Chris Jones. The 'work' Veach has done the last 2 offseasons has landed this team directly in a shitty cap situation and has yielded next to no positive returns. When Mathieu at about 40% more than you'd have needed to pay him a year prior is the BEST outcome of your recent ventures into big-money deals, you really need to reconsider your approach. Because Mathieu isn't even going to live up to his deal, let alone the other guys we've brought in. |
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11-12-2019, 04:49 PM | #5 |
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Veach’s offseason acquisitions were fine if you take out the 2 big deals. Actually HB isn’t bad considering he’s here 2 years and gets 1 big cap hit year.
Veach dug himself a hole but has pulled somewhat out of it with a contributing draft class with upside+acquisitions. More of that will make us just fine. Trade Sammy for a 3rd (or 4th, whatever you can get), trade Jones for at least a 2nd and use Jones projected money to extend lower cost players. Ogbah is absolutely a possibility to keep. He shouldn’t cost much now with his injury. Ward should not cost much. See if you can nab a corner like Chris Harris Jr. (who is still a plus player) for a fair price. Then start swinging away in the draft. For a LB, RB and lineman. Use as many mid rd picks on linemen as you can. You never know if a Chase Winovich or Charles Omenihu is your pick. Time to switch to the Seattle/Indy model |
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11-12-2019, 05:08 PM | #6 | |
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Basically I'm not anticipating a Pat extension for another year and Chris Jones is probably getting the tag and traded. They will have some space to add, but they will be basement bargain shopping. |
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11-12-2019, 05:25 PM | #7 | |
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His major misses the last 2 years have been massive parts of the storyline in the 2019 season as well as the single biggest impediments to improvement in 2020. Clark, Mathieu, Watkins and Hitchens (presuming Watkins is cut) will account for better than 1/4 of our salary cap next season. It's a full 1/3 if you toss Okafor in there. I'm sorry, but you cannot hand-waive that and say "yeah, but Ogbah!" He's done a lot more harm than good. |
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11-12-2019, 05:51 PM | #8 | |
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Watkins and Clark were major problems but Ogbah and Hardman have made that equal with cheap productivity we were supposed to see from Clark and Watkins. Veach needs to keep finding these type of guys and stop shelling out huge money to players not named Patrick Mahomes. |
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11-12-2019, 08:59 PM | #9 |
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I love it when people want to save 5M by cutting an Olineman only for us to have to turnaround and spend at least that amount on a competent replacement.
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11-12-2019, 11:04 PM | #10 |
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11-13-2019, 09:14 AM | #11 | |
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Because that's what we're paying for in Clark and Watkins, man. Hardman's given us a credible gadget player and Ogbah has offset the mediocre/bad Okafor deal. Oh, and Ogbah's not even under CONTRACT for next season and that's what we're talking about right now - the damage he's done to next year's cap. Ogbah doesn't fit in that calculous right now (and will cost a lot more if/when he does) and Okafor's number goes up, making it even more likely that Ogbah simply becomes his replacement - not Clark's. But Veach's ledger is still firmly in the red on those deals. Besides, to be a SB team you need contributions from cheap players AND representative performance from your expensive guys. Even if they 'offset' (and they haven't) - that's still just a recipe for a 10 win squad. |
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11-13-2019, 10:57 AM | #12 |
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Watkins is gone in 2020.
If there is a new CBA....you can June 1st cut Hitchens in 2020. And you can June 1st cut Clark in 2021. The dead cap hits suck but at least they’re gone. Although if all three of those happen....it won’t be Veach making those decisions. |
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11-13-2019, 11:05 AM | #13 | |
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From what I've seen, his 2021 salary is fully guaranteed on the 3rd day of the league year in 2020. So in that case you're paying him $18.5 million base either way in 2021 and see no cap savings. Unless you just rip the band-aid off and cut his ass this offseason. But if you do that, you fire Veach at the same time and frankly with the $38 million in dead money it creates, I don't think it's even possible. Veach ****ed that acquisition up so badly. What the hell was he doing effectively guaranteeing 3 years/$63 million to this goddamn guy? The only hope I have is that the contract sites have it wrong and the 2021 salary doesn't guarantee until the 3rd day of 2021. If they really created a contract that made him impossible to cut in 2020 AND guaranteed his salary for 2021 within that same 2020 window...Jesus. What an absolute idiot. |
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11-13-2019, 11:47 AM | #14 | |
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I think they are ok at the tackle spots, liked what I saw from Rankin and think he should get a real crack at the starting LG spot in 2020 and Ldt is fine when he isn't a broke dick. I think if I were going to make a change on the line, it would be at Center. |
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11-13-2019, 11:53 PM | #15 |
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Ideally..
Trade Sammy for a 3rd. Use said 3rd on a WR
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