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Old 11-29-2017, 11:35 PM   #2
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The Franchise was wrecked after 2003 when Carl kept the defense intact and extended guys. Then went all in in 05. Herm did what needed to be done though you could argue that should have been started in 06' not 07'.
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Old 11-29-2017, 11:45 PM   #3
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The Franchise was wrecked after 2003 when Carl kept the defense intact and extended guys. Then went all in in 05. Herm did what needed to be done though you could argue that should have been started in 06' not 07'.
How can you read all those words I just posted and keep piling up the same ****ing shit? Are you a Zilla mult?

He had 3 years, a pile of draft picks, by year 3 a pile of cap space, excellent waiver wire position, and infinite opportunities to bring people in from the street. Regardless of what he started with. He presided over a wreck.

He wrecked the ****ing franchise!
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Old 11-29-2017, 11:51 PM   #4
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How can you read all those words I just posted and keep piling up the same ****ing shit? Are you a Zilla mult?

He had 3 years, a pile of draft picks, by year 3 a pile of cap space, excellent waiver wire position, and infinite opportunities to bring people in from the street. Regardless of what he started with. He presided over a wreck.

He wrecked the ****ing franchise!
How'd his successor do?

Herm got us Bowe, Hali, Pollard, Dorsey, Charles, etc. Nobody would have succeeded in 08 with that young roster. He wasn't the man to win it all but at all same time it's not all his fault.
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Old 11-29-2017, 11:47 PM   #5
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The Franchise was wrecked after 2003 when Carl kept the defense intact and extended guys. Then went all in in 05. Herm did what needed to be done though you could argue that should have been started in 06' not 07'.
Just like you, I never liked Carl for both personal and football related issues.

I found a pic of your heroes, both of them. or are they the same person?
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Old 11-29-2017, 11:57 PM   #6
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The Franchise was wrecked after 2003 when Carl kept the defense intact and extended guys. Then went all in in 05. Herm did what needed to be done though you could argue that should have been started in 06' not 07'.
Totally agree. Should have happened sooner. But at least it did. And once it did, it does us no good to half ass the commitment to the rebuild. I don't know how anyone can see it any other way. Those 2004 and 2005 contracts were loaded with backloading. And worst of all, to afford those contracts, we restructured our own player contracts to backload too. Our cap situation had to be one of the worst the modern cap system has seen (not to forget the laughably horrible cap managed by Daniel snyder)
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:01 AM   #7
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How'd his successor do?

Herm got us Bowe, Hali, Pollard, Dorsey, Charles, etc. Nobody would have succeeded in 08 with that young roster. He wasn't the man to win it all but at all same time it's not all his fault.
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Totally agree. Should have happened sooner. But at least it did. And once it did, it does us no good to half ass the commitment to the rebuild. I don't know how anyone can see it any other way. Those 2004 and 2005 contracts were loaded with backloading. And worst of all, to afford those contracts, we restructured our own player contracts to backload too. Our cap situation had to be one of the worst the modern cap system has seen (not to forget the laughably horrible cap managed by Daniel snyder)
No. I’m not going through all this same ****ing bullshit again. It’s all right here.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=296702

Squirmin Herman Mother****ing Sack of **** Edwards was a garbage personnel man. As such he wrecked the ****ing franchise.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:13 AM   #8
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Whatever man you're entitled to your opinion and you aren't 100 percent wrong but I will say if Herm was at KU instead of Beaty they'd have more talent and win 3 or 4 games.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:19 AM   #9
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Whatever man you're entitled to your opinion and you aren't 100 percent wrong but I will say if Herm was at KU instead of Beaty they'd have more talent and win 3 or 4 games.
Don’t disagree there.

He may do well in college. I wouldn’t play for the man but kids might.
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Old 11-30-2017, 12:21 AM   #10
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Don’t disagree there.

He may do well in college. I wouldn’t play for the man but kids might.
You have kids don't you? How would you feel about sending your kid there? How he did NFL aside in genuinely interested.
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Old 04-24-2024, 09:45 AM   #11
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Former Arizona State coach Herm Edwards receives five-year show-cause penalty for NCAA recruiting violations

The five-year show-cause is one of the longest show-cause penalties for a head football coach in NCAA history

Arizona State coach Herm Edwards received a five-year show-cause penalty from the NCAA for recruiting violations involving more than 30 prospects during the COVID-19 no-visit period, 247Sports reports. The punishment against Edwards, which started on April 15, is one of the longest show-cause penalties handed down to a coach in NCAA history.

According to 247Sports, Edwards, 69, was one of seven former ASU staffers (Prentice Gill, Derek Hagan, Chris Hawkins, Zak Hill and Robert Rodriguez, and equipment employee Eric Bowman being the others) to receive show-cause penalties ranging between three to 10 years by the NCAA.

Arizona State self-imposed a postseason ban for the 2023 season and will vacate nine of its 10 wins between 2021-22 for the use of one or more ineligible players.

The school also agreed to disassociate for five years with Regina Jackson, the mother of former ASU quarterback and LSU Heisman winner Jayden Daniels. Jackson was alleged to have paid for flights and lodging for ASU recruits who impermissibly visited during the COVID dead period.

Two of the former staffers are contesting "portions" of their cases, and the NCAA will not release its full decision until after those hearings. Current Las Vegas Raiders coach Antonio Pierce is one of the coaches disputing his charges. He submitted a written statement to the NCAA regarding his role in the violations after he served as an ASU assistant from 2018-2021.

NCAA Committee on Infractions chief hearing officer Jason Leonard praised Arizona State for its "exemplary" cooperation in the case.

"The school's acceptance of responsibility and decision to self-impose meaningful core penalties is a model for all schools to follow and is consistent with the expectations of the NCAA's infractions program," Leonard said.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...ng-violations/
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Old 11-29-2017, 11:46 PM   #12
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So I’m guessing based on Buehler’s doctoral paper here that Herm wrecked the franchise?
Not according to Zilla and Zilla-mult. All Vermiels fault.
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