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02-10-2020, 08:56 PM | #2 |
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From the perspective of losing Jones, I love this outcome. Keeping Watkins would be incredible and with the scenario you’ve outlined, maybe he’d bite.
I think you’re very cheap on Fuller and Pennel, but I could be off. That draft class would be awesome. |
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02-10-2020, 09:31 PM | #3 |
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I agree that I would love the idea of keeping Watkins and I think he will jump on an extension and restructure. Where the numbers are may be +/- a million or so per year in my opinion. Most good #2's are in that $9m per range which is what the extension is. If he wants more than a 2-year $21m extension and move that salary to a bonus, then I'd cut bait. He's not worth that much and I think you could find adequate replacement. You might just change up what you do and go for a splash in FA at another position and grab a WR higher in the draft.
Depends alot on the market. If Fuller gets a starter offer, he could make more. As it stands he's a #3 CB and not too many teams pay more than 3-4m per for one. It's not important that the player is Fuller, necessarily. I think Veach can find a guy in that 2-3 range again. As for Pennel, I don't see it. He's a rotational #3/4 DT and would make $910k on a vet min deal with maxed bonus. Not many DTs making over $1m per unless they are an every-down starter. Let's not forget he was going to be bagging groceries before the Chiefs pulled him in. His ceiling for me is $1.5m per, which really doesn't make or break the cap and I just don't see a team offering that. |
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02-10-2020, 10:07 PM | #4 |
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Fuller for $3 million? Dude he’s getting at lest 3X that on the open market
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02-10-2020, 10:19 PM | #5 |
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Like I said in another thread that had the same trade.
Why and how are the Seahawks paying big contracts to both Clowney AND Jones? |
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02-11-2020, 12:20 AM | #6 |
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I like a lot of the legwork here crow.
The numbers have to make sense obviously, but I do think there are some guys that the Chiefs will just not let go because of how they value them... Just spitballing here: - Chiefs release Erving, Reiter, LDT and Colquitt saving just under $14 million on the cap (but accruing around $6.4 million in dead money. - I’ll echo your take on Jones and Watkins: tagged and traded for a 1st and 3rd, while Watkins gets extended to create a bit of cap relief. - ERFA contract for Wylie. Kemp, Wells and Yelder walk. - Chiefs FA’s re-signed: Lucas, Sherman, Wis, Bell, Pennel, Moore, Reaser (all 1 year deals) - Kendall Fuller extended for 3 years, $18 million. His versatility and ability is appreciated more than most would recognize. -Emmanuel Ogbah extended 2 years, $14 million. Ascending player who had his campaign stopped short by injury. Will buffer against Okafor release in 2021. - The following Chiefs WALK: Henne, Breeland (too pricey), X.Williams, Claiborne, Lee, McCoy, Robinson, Suggs, Ware, Ragland. - Option/extension for Mahomes - Sign FA CB Chris Harris - 1 year, $ 10 million - Sign FA LB Joe Schobert - 3 years, $20 million - Sign FA G Joe Thuney - 3 years, $ 33 million DRAFT * Chiefs acquire 1st (25) and 3rd (89) from Minnesota for DT Chris Jones. 1. (25) Curtis Weaver - DL - Boise State - Weaver can contribute right away to a solid DE rotation but also kicks inside as a 3 tech in pass downs, hopefully replacing some of Jones’ production. He played as heavy as 290, sets an edge, and has exceptional power and bend. 1. (32) Trevon Diggs - CB - Alabama - Diggs competes, is long, and physical. Sound like anyone? Very similar to Breeland in play style and is a prototype for what Spagnuolo likes on the outside. TRADE: Chiefs trade (2) #63 and (3) #96 to the Rams for (2) #52 2. (52) D’Andre Swift - RB - Georgia - Another weapon for the offense, Swift packs a punch in his 5’9” frame at 215 lbs., and he is fantastic in the passing game. His burst and elusiveness create more matchup nightmares for opposing defenses. 3. (89) Cesar Ruiz - C - Michigan - A dependable anchor who has a varied skill set. Smart, tough and competent in both run blocking and pass protection. 4. (135) Jordyn Brooks - ILB - Texas Tech - Brooks has a nose for the ball and surprising speed and agility for a 245 lb. thumper. He diagnoses quickly and his instincts are superb. Likely a 2 down backer in the pros, but you need these guys... 5. (177) Adam Trautman - TE - Dayton High-pointing, hands catcher with nice open field speed for a big man: 6’6”, 253 lbs. Trautman flexes out, but also plays in-line and is a willing blocker, but he is best used as a passing target. He did not face the greatest competition in college... Last edited by Chief Northman; 02-11-2020 at 12:25 AM.. |
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02-11-2020, 04:10 AM | #7 | |
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Clowney is alot of hype most of the time. He's had 9 or more sacks only twice in his 6-year career and never 10 or more. He's okay against the run, but not earth-shattering. I'd rather have Jones. I don't consider it a do both situation at all. They have 2019 1st round pick LJ Collier and they have Rasheem Green, who played pretty decent. That said, if they do happen to pay Clowney, why would you ever offer significantly more than what Dee Ford got? I wouldn't. I'd put a ceiling of $15m on year one if for some reason they do something stupid, and if that's the case they likely don't trade for Jones because they have to pay Ifedi, which is probably $10 per, a quarter of their roster is ERFA guys so there goes $4.5m, and they have 5 RFAs of which I see them tendering 4, which is another $8.5m. That ties up $38 of their available $50m in space, which doesn't leave enough for Jones. What they gave up for the "must sign" Clowney: LB Barkevious Mingo, who sucks and had a whole 6 tackles this year LB Jacob Martin who registered an eye-popping 11 tackles on the year playing special teams A 3rd round pick, and hell we've seen those get cut the same year they are drafted. The Seahawks aren't on the hook for Clowney in the least. |
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02-11-2020, 04:13 AM | #8 | |
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Like I said earlier, doesn't have to be Fuller. But... Fuller will be Steven Nelson lucky if he gets 3x that on the open market. I don't know if he's severely overrated here or I'm blind to something. I just don't see a player that rode the pine a good majority of the season getting some big contract. |
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02-11-2020, 04:48 AM | #9 |
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That would be a good offseason.
My simple draft list/request - 1. (32) - CB Bryce Hall, Virginia - I think he would fit very well with our defense. I watched him a lot last year (2018) while also watching Juan Thornhill. His injury from this year might allow him to still be there at 32. 2. (63) - LB Troy Dye, Oregon - 6-4 but light in weight (224 - 230) but I think he can gain some weight and still be quick. He moves like a Safety but still has some strength to battle and fight through blocks. He reminds me of how the 49ers use LB Fred Warner but I think Troy Dye can be better. 3. (96) - G Ben Bredeson, Michigan - Like him a lot. Actually I like most of the Michigan offensive line. He may not be here at 96, but if not, I am hoping that one of the other top Centers or Guards fall to the Chiefs. 4. (135??) - WR James Proche, SMU - In normal NFL draft years, I think he would be gone by now, but I think the deep draft will allow us to pick him up. Proche has some of the best hands in this draft class he also return punts and could fit right in with KC. 5. (176??) - CB Harrison Hand, Temple - I think Hand will probably be long gone by this time but several draft sites did not think he was all that good. When I watch him in games though, I think he could be a very good NFL corner. Watch some games with these guys and see what you think |
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02-11-2020, 04:52 AM | #10 |
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I hope we can keep Fuller but I think someone will pay him at least 3 year $18 M and probably higher.
A Super Bowl win makes lots of players sparkle and teams want. |
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02-11-2020, 04:54 AM | #11 |
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Good job on your draft! We have mostly the same positions but just different players.
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02-11-2020, 09:27 PM | #12 | |
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If I'm playing the law of averages, I'd venture to say it is far more likely you can sign him for 3 than not. If someone comes in and gives 6+, let him go. There are plenty of other options out there for 2-3 that can give you the same skill set. The Steven Nelson case is important and I don't forget it. You have an okay CB that's a very borderline #2, should be a 3, that gets 8.5 per from a franchise desperate for a CB. I'm not one that would pay that much for that particular level of play. I'm hopeful the Chiefs can get him on a cheap 1-year deal. Give him a chance to see if he can up his play. He wasn't all that bad in 2018. That said, I'm paying Breeland before I'm paying Fuller. And, not all could be bad with that. If Fuller gets a nice deal, then the Chiefs could very well be in line for a comp pick. Hell, they could be in line for a few comp picks depending on how they choose to handle free agency. |
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02-11-2020, 09:30 PM | #13 | |
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I don't like Dye at all. In fact, I hate his play style. Do not want. I'd shit myself if Bredeson makes it to 96. Other than that, don't really think the rest is out of line. I like Hall quite a bit. |
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02-11-2020, 10:17 PM | #14 |
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I'm not sure that Fuller is even going to be considered as a true corner anymore. He finished out the season as a safety, and played much better there. He wouldn't be considered a number 3 at safety. He showed that he could start at safety and he does have corner skills. I think that prices him well above your $3 million range. But, hopefully he wants to win more rings and he will take an offer like that. But I seriously doubt it.
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