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FloridaMan88 · 02-02-2009, 09:59 AM

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also

Matt Cassel draws interest

TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

Frankie · 02-04-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

When I think of Matt Cassel, I think of Steve Bono.

Bono, like Cassel, wasn't the starter in college, was drafted in the sixth round, who, when he got a chance to start for a team laden with talent looked like a viable NFL QB.

Sure, when he came to the Chiefs, he went to a pro bowl, but he was a mediocre QB.

I see Cassel being essentially the same guy.

Fair enough. None of us here are advocating giving up our 1st for him. But I'm saying not signing him as a UFA or not considering creative trading is unwise. Say if we swapped 2nds...

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-04-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Every single year?!

We've had this argument last year and this year. In these TWO years, IMO, pre-draft evidence has not shown a top 5 QB available. I don't care much for Stafford, but I would like Sanchez if somehow we could trade down to the 8-12 range.

And last year proved your opinion, as usual, to be wrong.

Frankie · 02-04-2009, 09:14 AM

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Why don't you show us a reasonable trade package that would allow us to move down to 8?

I'm not saying there is one right now. I say IF. And if someone wants a particular player bad enough we should see how they are planning to compensate the 800 point difference or what veteran player they are willing to throw in to make it worthwhile. We might even consider accepting their 2nd and 3rd (about 730 points) to entice them. There are creative ways to lure in a customer if you are a good salesman. Peterson was frustratingly not a good pitchman. But I'm hoping Pioli is.

Frankie · 02-04-2009, 09:16 AM

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So, Bradford would have done it for you?

Not sure yet. He would have to show that he could take a snap and drop back. Even then, not at 3.

Frankie · 02-04-2009, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

And last year proved your opinion, as usual, to be wrong.

And I was dead on and you were wrong about Clady. So call us even. Even though I consider QBs are a more difficult lot to evaluate for sure. Again Atlanta took the gamble and lucked out. So did you.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-04-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

And I was dead on and you were wrong about Clady. So call us even. Even though I consider QBs are a more difficult lot to evaluate for sure. Again Atlanta took the gamble and lucked out. So did you.

Clady did well in Denver's zone blocking scheme. In a different offense, including ours, he wouldn't fare as well. He was a perfect fit for Denver.

Frankie · 02-04-2009, 09:29 AM

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Clady did well in Denver's zone blocking scheme. In a different offense, including ours, he wouldn't fare as well. He was a perfect fit for Denver.

Then I can argue that Ryan was the perfect fit for Atlanta.

RustShack · 02-04-2009, 09:44 AM

No one liked Ryan last year and Stafford/Sanchez are both better prospects than him. Please pretend like you watched Ryan in college and tell us how you think he was better? Because all the question marks you have for these guys were bigger question marks for him(besides experience), plus both these guys have a lot better measureables.

Frankie · 02-04-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

No one liked Ryan last year and Stafford/Sanchez are both better prospects than him. Please pretend like you watched Ryan in college and tell us how you think he was better? Because all the question marks you have for these guys were bigger question marks for him(besides experience), plus both these guys have a lot better measureables.

As you're finally accepting, I did like Ryan. Just not at 5. And that was based on evidence that admittedly included his TD to INT ratio. But I did like his footwork, his poise and the fact that he brought his team back in several games to pull out wins when the game seemed lost. I don't recal Stafford doing that.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-04-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

the fact that he brought his team back in several games to pull out wins when the game seemed lost. I don't recal Stafford doing that.

You mean like Stafford did against Kentucky this year and Tennessee and Alabama in 2007?

RustShack · 02-04-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

As you're finally accepting, I did like Ryan. Just not at 5. And that was based on evidence that admittedly included his TD to INT ratio. But I did like his footwork, his poise and the fact that he brought his team back in several games to pull out wins when the game seemed lost. I don't recal Stafford doing that.

Yeah, Stafford had no part in all of Georgia's wins.

Brock · 02-04-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

As you're finally accepting, I did like Ryan. Just not at 5. And that was based on evidence that admittedly included his TD to INT ratio. But I did like his footwork, his poise and the fact that he brought his team back in several games to pull out wins when the game seemed lost. I don't recal Stafford doing that.

You didn't like Ryan. You called him "another Todd Blackledge". Stop trying to rewrite history.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-04-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You didn't like Ryan. You called him "another Todd Blackledge". Stop trying to rewrite history.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...54#post4482354

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OH NO!!... Another Todd Blackledge.

We drafted TB in the top ten based only on his Senior year "emergance."... Yikes!!

RustShack · 02-04-2009, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock

You didn't like Ryan. You called him "another Todd Blackledge". Stop trying to rewrite history.

RustShack · 02-04-2009, 11:24 AM

I just LOVE when people change their views after the fact and claim they have always felt that way.

02-02-2009, 09:59 AM
FloridaMan88 Mahomes: We Are All Witnesses FloridaMan88's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Miami, FL	And so the "Matt Cassel to KC" Rumors Begin... As if they hadn't started already... http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also Matt Cassel draws interest TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week. With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him. The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs. “I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.” Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job. “I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them. “But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.” Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate. Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago. As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice. The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection. “I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”
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