***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is what fear does to the ill-Informed

A man feared his longtime girlfriend had covid-19, which she didn’t. They died in a murder-suicide, police say. https://t.co/gLzjqXHl5i

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) April 7, 2020

But fear gets clicks and ratings....DRAMA

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by tk13

Yeah but that's 100% because that's what the experts and officials are telling them. The Surgeon General of the United States is literally saying to everyone that this week is going to be a "Pearl Harbor" moment. The media isn't making him say that. This isn't some guy trying to make political points, this is the lead health official in the United States appointed by the President. And he's saying it's going to get worse.

Originally Posted by Donger

Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!

They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!
https://t.co/UxZRwxxKL9

— U.S. Surgeon General (@Surgeon_General) February 29, 2020

Does he really mean it though or just trying to manipulate behavior, again.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Social distancing worked better than the models expected it to work?

It's obviously more than just that. They were clueless as DJ pointed out. These models and experts have been so far off that your time would have been better spent reading a Deberg thread than discussing their models.. Whatever shit take Deberg has would be more accurate.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

. Distancing has clearly been effective and that should be the headline.

It would be nice if they could spread this message more and let us know to keep it up.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's obviously more than just that. They were clueless as DJ pointed out. These models and experts have been so far off that your time would have been better spent reading a Deberg thread than discussing their models.. Whatever shit take Deberg has would be more accurate.

I'm not very trusting of any data whether it's good or bad because everything is off.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by jerryaldini

I normally support the media as a critical watchdog. But I agree in this event too many have reached for the edge of the confidence interval as the worst case. I've seen it in my own community where the curve has clearly flattened and the projections have plummeted, but the headlines make no mention of this and even still talk about rationing care.

CNN has been abysmal, seeking to score political points at every turn. You could read the headlines in the NYT this morning and believe we are Italy in early March.
Good news on the improving data is grudgingly acknowledged, if at all. Distancing has clearly been effective and that should be the headline.

I have been watching Canadian news and our news outlets are pretty homogeneous across all channels we don’t have the same extremism up here and we don’t have prime time “ entertainment “ “opinion” based news.

Our news is pretty boring but mostly just facts without additional commentary and would not call it fear mongering and the information coming from them is not ****ing good it’s bad on all the channels . I think you guys need to stop seeing things in black or white extremes because it is starting to mess with your minds. Now is it as bad as some channels in the US are making it out now but the channels who are downplaying it are not helping either.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

Does he really mean it though or just trying to manipulate behavior, again.

I posted a link earlier on masks , tutorials, they can help but for the general public use bandana etc can be as effective at reducing the spread . They are More effective on sick people at reducing than non infected and bandanas can be effective with that aspect.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's obviously more than just that. They were clueless as DJ pointed out. These models and experts have been so far off that your time would have been better spent reading a Deberg thread than discussing their models.. Whatever shit take Deberg has would be more accurate.

YeAh predicting the future is very hard , they were using the info they had at the time , it would be like predicting the chiefs to win the Super Bowl while Alex smith is our QB.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

This is what fear does to the ill-Informed

A man feared his longtime girlfriend had covid-19, which she didn’t. They died in a murder-suicide, police say. https://t.co/gLzjqXHl5i

— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) April 7, 2020

There might have been some mental illness in there somewhere too.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

. Now is it as bad as some channels in the US are making it out now but the channels who are downplaying it are not helping either.

Please find me a channel that is downplaying it. I would LOVE to watch it for a refreshing change of pace.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by petegz28

How lucky are you to be in this country?

Italy has 132,547 total cases with 16,523 deaths

Our country has 367,650 cases with 10,943 deaths

those are shocking numbers

It sounds like Italy admitted a lot of positive patients that other countries are dealing with as outpatients , out of hospital healthcare infrastructure isn’t like a lot of other countries. That’s why we are telling people to stay away from hospital even when they have covid and why their healthcare workers took a beating.

[Bugeater]

Originally Posted by Monticore

There might have been some mental illness in there somewhere too.

I'm chalking it up to the beauty of Darwinism.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by loochy

Please find me a channel that is downplaying it. I would LOVE to watch it for a refreshing change of pace.

Sorry from some of the responses in DC and in here it seems like some people are getting information from somewhere that may be doing that. If places like Alex Jones , OAN and breibart are on the same page asCNN and MSNBC I stand corrected.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

There might have been some mental illness in there somewhere too.

Of course.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Sorry from some of the responses in DC and in here it seems like some people are getting information from somewhere that may be doing that. If places like Alex Jones , OAN and breibart are on the same page asCNN and MSNBC I stand corrected.

Well some people feel if the news isn't reporting a likely 10 year depression with 90% of the population dead by 2021 they are down playing it. There are some weird negative people that post here.