USA Today: Chiefs finish last in the AFC West

[BigRedChief]

Hope this gets put on the locker room bulletin board. Reid plays the "no respect" card.

ICYMI, USA Today believes the #Chiefs will finish in last place in the AFC West this year: https://t.co/XOdJku2O16

— Arrowhead Addict (@ArrowheadAddict) July 23, 2018

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

You did not upgrade at QB. Maybe Patty Deuce will eventually be an upgrade, but not as things stand today.
You did not upgrade at Corner.

Chiefs upgraded on the back end at CB...but overall yes, losing your top probowl CB who's responsible for much of your secondary's turnover production and defensive game changing momentum plays IS def going to hurt. I think he's going to go nuts in that Rams D.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

You did not upgrade at QB. Maybe Patty Deuce will eventually be an upgrade, but not as things stand today.
You did not upgrade at Corner.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

You did not upgrade at QB. Maybe Patty Deuce will eventually be an upgrade, but not as things stand today.
You did not upgrade at Corner.

No, not at corner. QB however, is different. It's a wash at worst. I don't think you appreciate the full failure of Alex Smith. It's not apparent from stats.
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[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

You did not upgrade at QB. Maybe Patty Deuce will eventually be an upgrade, but not as things stand today.
You did not upgrade at Corner.

Losing Marcus Peters hurts and helps. The overall scheme will be tighter and sounder and the tackling will be better, but we lose the game changing turnover machine that was MP. Overall, it's still a net negative. We're better off with him than without him, IMO.

But Rainman has shown above the faulty logic that just because you have a 1st round 'rookie' QB means your QB play is going to regress. I mean, yes, it's possible, but there are numerous instances where it didn't happen. He could hit the ground running with a stable of offensive weapons around him and 'ball out' and we could finish 12-4. He could also struggle, throw a bunch of INT's, or lose skill position players to injuries and we could go 7-9. Either is possible.

But no one knows WHAT Mahomes is at this point (Chiefs fans or Donko fans). We'll find out soon enough . . . .

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

Houston had what, 8.5 sacks last year rushing opposite of Frank Zombo.

Jesus, some here act like he's dead.

It's pretty evident that Houston has def not been the same player since he's come back from inj. And I don't think it's because of the lack of production coming from the other side, I think it's more possibly knee related and player digression. Regardless of reason, I really hope he churns out a 14-15 sack season, shouldn't be any reason why he shouldn't be able to get 1 a game for as much as he's making. He's a solid run defender but let's be honest, he's not being paid $100M to stop the run. Sacks are momentum draining for opposing offenses, can create turnovers easier than any other way, and it changes courses of games. Houston needs to start showing up in that dept.

[CoMoChief]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Losing Marcus Peters hurts and helps. The overall scheme will be tighter and sounder and the tackling will be better, but we lose the game changing turnover machine that was MP. Overall, it's still a net negative. We're better off with him than without him, IMO.

But Rainman has shown above the faulty logic that just because you have a 1st round 'rookie' QB means your QB play is going to regress. I mean, yes, it's possible, but there are numerous instances where it didn't happen. He could hit the ground running with a stable of offensive weapons around him and 'ball out' and we could finish 12-4. He could also struggle, throw a bunch of INT's, or lose skill position players to injuries and we could go 7-9. Either is possible.

But no one knows WHAT Mahomes is at this point (Chiefs fans or Donko fans). We'll find out soon enough . . . .

I think people put too much into "Peters' tackling" and how it related to Chiefs D problems.

IMO that wasn't a major concern. It costed the Chiefs a couple times yes, but stale offenses lack of pass rush is what hurt more. Chiefs went on a 5 game streak of offensive suckitude.

****ING QUICKSAND!

[Strongside]

I'm also in the camp that thinks losing Peters will be both good and bad.

We're going to miss the guy that can take the ball away on any play, sure. And that's what Peters will be best remembered for, from a playing standpoint.

But Peters' ability to take the ball away tended to cause fans to overlook just how mediocre certain aspects of his game are – and the fact that he's just got an overall shitty attitude and demeanor.

Peters got burned – a lot. He also called it a "business decision" to make a tackle or not. The dude shied away from contact regularly. There were several times over the course of last year where he just looked disinterested. A few plays that didn't come his way where he'd simply stand there.

We'll miss him as a playmaker. But there were times when Peters would essentially render our defense as a 10-man set. I'd rather take my chances with 11 guys that want to be on the field and give it their all, not 10 and one that doesn't really give a shit.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by O.city

But he's not a rookie.

For ****s sake. Everyone and their mother wanted him to sit last year and learn. Now everyone wants qualifiers like "well, he's essentially a rookie". If he needs a year to play to learn that much, there was no reason for him to sit last year. Should have traded Alex and been done with it.

No. They're already burned a year of a cheap contract on a QB for him to sit. He needs to hit the ground running.

I don't think anyone here isn't ecstatic to have mahomes over Alex. Until we see otherwise, our defense is trash. I'm optimistic about mahomes but I'm patiently expecting him to make his share of early career mistakes. I'm optimistic but totally get why anyone would hesitate to crown us just yet. I have to keep reminding myself to be realistic much as I see huge potential for mahomes to absolutely tear shit apart this year.

[Strongside]

One of the guys that Mahomes is constantly compared to is Rodgers. Coincidentally, Rodgers is one of the last guys drafted so highly to sit behind a successful quarterback before getting a nod. Let's see how that went.

Here's Rodgers' first season after sitting behind Favre:



I'd be okay with that.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

It's pretty evident that Houston has def not been the same player since he's come back from inj. And I don't think it's because of the lack of production coming from the other side, I think it's more possibly knee related and player digression. Regardless of reason, I really hope he churns out a 14-15 sack season, shouldn't be any reason why he shouldn't be able to get 1 a game for as much as he's making. He's a solid run defender but let's be honest, he's not being paid $100M to stop the run. Sacks are momentum draining for opposing offenses, can create turnovers easier than any other way, and it changes courses of games. Houston needs to start showing up in that dept.

It's just too easy to chip and double guys that are the sole rusher on a team. If you're expecting the guy to churn out 14-15 sack seasons, well, that seems pretty unrealistic. What he's making doesn't really make the player, he had a career year in a contract season. It is what it is.

If he can get 10 plus sacks, that's what you want. It's just tough to do that when the dude rushing on the other side is the equivalent of SNR athletically.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

So Mahomes is going to make his share of mistakes- but yet none of the other average at best QB's in the Divison won't? We know Rivers will be good for losing at least 2 to 3 winnable games because of stupid turnovers.

Best point I've read w/r/t Mahomes in quite awhile.

Yes, Mahomes is going to make mistakes. And he'll probably make a fair number of them. But the steaming pile of mediocrity that is the rest of the QBs in this division will make quite a few of their own and won't have the weapons and/or raw talent to come up with the kind of head shaking plays that Mahomes can come up with to counter those.

Yeah, Rivers is good - but man oh man does that guy step on his dick when it counts. So he may make fewer mistakes that Mahomes, but history has told us that they'll all be a hell of a lot bigger mistakes.

The QB situation doesn't worry me a bit. Honestly, it's the pass rush. Either it will come back this year and cover for the scattershot secondary we're trying to assemble on the fly (let's not call Fuller a known quantity here; 1 year played primarily inside does not a #1 corner make him...) or it will suck as badly as it did last year and the defense may actually be worse.

We cannot find ourselves in a situation where we had to rob peter to pay paul defensively again. The Chiefs could sell out to slow the run or the pass but they could never play adequately against both. Fix the pass rush so they don't have to spend so much time in Nickel sets and maybe the run defense shows the improvement we all hope for as well.

[big nasty kcnut]

last in the division? Only if a asteroid hit kansas city and forced to start jamarcus russell.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Strongside

I'm also in the camp that thinks losing Peters will be both good and bad.

We're going to miss the guy that can take the ball away on any play, sure. And that's what Peters will be best remembered for, from a playing standpoint.

But Peters' ability to take the ball away tended to cause fans to overlook just how mediocre certain aspects of his game are – and the fact that he's just got an overall shitty attitude and demeanor.

Peters got burned – a lot. He also called it a "business decision" to make a tackle or not. The dude shied away from contact regularly. There were several times over the course of last year where he just looked disinterested. A few plays that didn't come his way where he'd simply stand there.

We'll miss him as a playmaker. But there were times when Peters would essentially render our defense as a 10-man set. I'd rather take my chances with 11 guys that want to be on the field and give it their all, not 10 and one that doesn't really give a shit.

I loved the dude as much as the next Chief fan. His first few years, were legit HOF type stuff. But when it went off the rails last year, it just went thermonuclear.

The thing about watching the elite defenses of the league, is they just play fast and fierce. The Jags, the Donks from a few years ago, Seattle etc.

The Chiefs haven't done that in a few years.

Hopefuly the young talent will get that back going.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Best point I've read w/r/t Mahomes in quite awhile.

Yes, Mahomes is going to make mistakes. And he'll probably make a fair number of them. But the steaming pile of mediocrity that is the rest of the QBs in this division will make quite a few of their own and won't have the weapons and/or raw talent to come up with the kind of head shaking plays that Mahomes can come up with to counter those.

Yeah, Rivers is good - but man oh man does that guy step on his dick when it counts. So he may make fewer mistakes that Mahomes, but history has told us that they'll all be a hell of a lot bigger mistakes.

The QB situation doesn't worry me a bit. Honestly, it's the pass rush. Either it will come back this year and cover for the scattershot secondary we're trying to assemble on the fly (let's not call Fuller a known quantity here; 1 year played primarily inside does not a #1 corner make him...) or it will suck as badly as it did last year and the defense may actually be worse.

We cannot find ourselves in a situation where we had to rob peter to pay paul defensively again. The Chiefs could sell out to slow the run or the pass but they could never play adequately against both. Fix the pass rush so they don't have to spend so much time in Nickel sets and maybe the run defense shows the improvement we all hope for as well.

With all they've put into the front 7, I just can't see it sucking again vs the pass or the run. Theres too much young talent there now. No more slow ass DJ (god bless him, he was a warrior) or just shit piss DL.

[Strongside]

Originally Posted by O.city

I loved the dude as much as the next Chief fan. His first few years, were legit HOF type stuff. But when it went off the rails last year, it just went thermonuclear.

The thing about watching the elite defenses of the league, is they just play fast and fierce. The Jags, the Donks from a few years ago, Seattle etc.

The Chiefs haven't done that in a few years.

Hopefuly the young talent will get that back going.

Very much this. I think something you'll see with the Rams defense this year is that, sure they'll be good, but they won't be great. They have a bunch of guys that want to be the show individually. They've got a bunch of ME guys.

The great defenses in this league are the units that play as a team, and can cast the individual aside. They play fierce, smart, aggressive football. They don't do things for show. The show is the unit. The show is the zero on the scoreboard when time runs out.