***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

I don't trust Frances numbers, I'm using the John Hopkins map and their cases haven't moved since yesterday. They have to be way higher than ours based on the curv.

Now mind you ours are spiking because of testing, and based on what I've seen we have overtaken everyone in that department. (based on rate tested a day)

[Mr. Plow]

Originally Posted by MIAdragon

Any other business owners feeling this shit yet? My bakery employs 18 people and I’m down 60% already. Going to bleed as long as possible but this hurts.

Small business owner here.

Luckily for us, we can do everything remotely and with places closing down all over the country, we've actually been busier than normal.

[Demonpenz]

There is a video of KC people waiting outside a church for supplies and they are all together less than 6 feet. People are dumb and they are going to cost good smart people their lives. Oh well **** it I guess.

[SuperChief]

Originally Posted by Dunit35

I’m waiting on Chrysler to do a zero percent deal. Then it’s new car time.

Which Chrysler you looking at?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I don't trust Frances numbers, I'm using the John Hopkins map and their cases haven't moved since yesterday. They have to be way higher than ours based on the curv.

Now mind you ours are spiking because of testing, and based on what I've seen we have overtaken everyone in that department. (based on rate tested a day)

I’ve seen several scientists when answering the question, which site can we trust to get current info? They answer is usually the John Hopkins site.

For those who don’t know or missed it earlier in the thread..... use the menu and you can configure the numbers and views to what you want to look for.

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

I don't trust Frances numbers, I'm using the John Hopkins map and their cases haven't moved since yesterday. They have to be way higher than ours based on the curv.

Now mind you ours are spiking because of testing, and based on what I've seen we have overtaken everyone in that department. (based on rate tested a day)

Which was always going to happen.

I know it frustrates some that we didn't just snap up every available existing protocol from the beginning, but there were good reasons for that and there was every indication that they simply weren't scaleable enough, accurate enough or versatile enough to become a viable option for a country this large and populous.

Instead energies were put into tests specific for our laboratory capacities and their ability to generate prompt results. And in a very short period of time we'll simply be better at this than we'd have been had we tried to limp along w/ a half-measure.

And ultimately I take little exception to those that disagree that it was the RIGHT choice we made. But to argue that our choice was somehow indefensible requires willful ignorance of what went into the decision and what the end game was.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

There is a video of KC people waiting outside a church for supplies and they are all together less than 6 feet. People are dumb and they are going to cost good smart people their lives. Oh well **** it I guess.

By God they're going to automatically infect us all because they stood by each other!

[Discuss Thrower]

[burt]

Originally Posted by Dunit35

I’m waiting on Chrysler to do a zero percent deal. Then it’s new car time.

It'll happen. We have 0 for 84 months with payment deferment of 120 days. 0% is easier with the current low % from the fed....

[SuperChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I picked my girl up from the last day of school and I was more upset than she was.

"Go say goodbye to your friends - you won't see them for while..."

"Yes I will, daddy - I'll see them in first grade!!"

Guys, I'm really not about stealing my kids childhoods. So now my little girl's gonna do 1st grade from her couch as well?

FFS - no. We cannot do that.

lol this is laughably absurd. Your little girl's first grade memories don't trump the millions of lives at stake here. Millions.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

So you just blast asymptomatic people who have been in close verifiable proximity to confirmed infected with the malaria meds?

I figure they're going to find a way to just coat the entire US in it. Imagine the entire country being flown over by B-52's, dropping chloroquine powder on everyone.

It will be beautiful.

[dirk digler]

In somewhat good news Missouri is stuck on 24 confirmed cases and 1 death.


https://health.mo.gov/living/healthc...l-coronavirus/

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Lol, good luck with that.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

In somewhat good news Missouri is stuck on 24 confirmed cases and 1 death.


https://health.mo.gov/living/healthc...l-coronavirus/

Yeah but that was last updated last night.

There have been more cases announced today. I'm not sure how many though

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

Yeah but that was last updated last night.

There have been more cases announced today. I'm not sure how many though

Ah **** good catch. You would think they would keep this updated.