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Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs
The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.
1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster. 2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add. 3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing. 4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster. 5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have. 6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post. 6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. 7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players. Original post: You can ignore this now.
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Added Rules and Reminders: 1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted. 2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in. 3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent. For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259) For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.) You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.) Last edited by Rain Man; 04-25-2024 at 11:30 AM.. |
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04-13-2024, 08:08 PM | #1006 |
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If I had Sneed, there's no way I would let him go in this game.
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04-13-2024, 08:52 PM | #1007 |
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I inherited him when I started, so I don't think I have a choice. I either accept the picks - or he just vanishes from my roster?
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04-13-2024, 09:57 PM | #1008 | |
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My other conundrum is considering a pre-draft trade-up. Do I go balls deep and hope BTJ is there at 18? Because I don't think I realistically would want to lose more than 32, 64, and 131. It would take 32, 64, 95, and 173 to get to 16. Ugh. |
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04-13-2024, 11:15 PM | #1009 |
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Actually, you can decline trades. We don't mess with salary caps here, so if you trade Sneed you don't get a heck of a lot in terms of picks.
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04-24-2024, 10:05 PM | #1010 |
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Hey Rainman, can you give clarity on the trade charts?
You have the Rich Hill model linked for a trade down and a non-working link to the Jimmy Johnson model linked for a trade up. Which model are we using and can they be the same thing? Thanks |
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04-25-2024, 11:23 AM | #1011 | |
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1. Trade down now costs 25 percent since we no longer have high picks. 2. We'll use the Rich Hill model for both trade ups and trade downs, whoever, Rich Hill is. |
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04-25-2024, 01:37 PM | #1012 |
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I'm going to trust in Veach to trade up for me... and I'm keeping Sneed.
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04-27-2024, 11:38 PM | #1013 |
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Draft Day Trades. You can accept or reject them at face value with no penalty or premium.
Chiefs traded picks 32, 95, and 221 to Buffalo for picks 28, 133, and 248. Chiefs traded picks 64 and 173 to San Francisco for picks 63 and 211. |
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04-28-2024, 07:50 PM | #1014 |
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2024 Superior Yetis Draft
I came into this draft with KC's baseline selections (1-32, 2-64, 3-95, 4-131, 5-167, 5-173, 6-208, and 7-252).
Since I decided I'm keeping Sneed and do not have selection 221, I'm executing my own trade in the draft. I'm going to trade up with Buffalo as follows: 1-32, 2-64, 5-173 184 + 80 + 9 = 273*0.85 = 232.05 for 1-28, 5-144, 5-160 209 + 13 + 10 = 232 The overall theme here is to inject talent into my depleted weaponry on offense, especially at WR. 1-028: WR Xavier Worthy, Texas (KC 1-28) I loved this pick by KC and their draft overall. Worthy is a speed merchant that will inject a homerun hitter into my lineup that it has been severely lacking. I'm banking on premier ability here and I hope it pays off because the allure of going all-in on Brian Thomas is strong. 3-095: WR Troy Franklin, Oregon (DEN 4-102) Franklin's inexplicable fall I feel is to my benefit here as I had a 1st round grade on him. Franklin adds more speed and is a guy who can uncover at all levels. He's walking into a situation where he can see a lot of targets early on. 4-131: TE Jared Wiley, TCU (KC 4-131) Wiley was my top TE want in this draft. I like his seam-stretching ability and his large frame as a red-zone target. Once he learns to work the intermediate level well and find soft spots in zones, I think he's going to be really good. 5-144: OC Hunter Nourzad, Penn State (KC 5-159) I feel as though I'm repeating the Chiefs' draft but I loved it, the players, and the positional values fit my needs as well. Nourzad gives me some versatility on the interior. With Bozeman being atrocious this past season, I really need a new reserve there. 5-160: RB Rasheen Ali, Marshall (BAL 5-165) Ali might not get a chance for too many early reps but injuries are always a possibility. I think he's a really nice fit as a dual-threat back with starter traits. I like him more than Tracy and age is a factor here as well. I'm taking a shot here at improving my reserve situation. 5-167: WR Malik Washington, Virginia (MIA 5-184) Washington could end up an instant starter in the slot, which would really help offset the pending loss of Boyd in the next year or two. I like his speed and ability to get open underneath. 6-208: OG Christian Mahogany, Boston College (DET 6-210) I'm always looking to bolster the trenches to a fault. Mahogany is a depth play here for the future as he'll likely sit and learn for a year and improve his body and pass-blocking range. He has the physicality and temperament you want from a potential starter on the interior. 7-252: ER Jaylen Harrell, Michigan (TEN 7-252) I'm taking a major stab at an edge here this late but I like Harrell's makeup as a fluid speed rusher at 3-4 OLB and I think he'll get the opportunity for snaps in sub packages early on in his career. TRAINING CAMP ROSTER
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04-30-2024, 11:03 PM | #1015 |
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Will post my draft tonight or tomorrow. My trades are off by 0.5 and 1 point respectively with the 25% discount. I'm forcing them through, you can blackball and thread ban me if needed Rainman!
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04-30-2024, 11:18 PM | #1016 |
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2024 Tacoma Trash Pandas Draft My goal this cycle is to transform my WR corps. Far and away it is the biggest hole in my roster, and the only spot I feel that I’m not fielding an NFL average or better unit. While the rookies might only pay minor dividends this year, my hope is the investment in this draft class will set me up at the position for the next decade if I can long-term starters from 2/3 of my first three picks. I also desperately tried to snag one of the Eagles two CB selections, but just couldn’t make the points work. ———————— Trade Down: the Tacoma Trash Pandas send picks #64, #167, and #173 (73.5 points when discounted 25%) to the Cincinnati Bengals in exchange for picks #80, #149, and #194 (74 points) Trade Up: the Tacoma Trash Pandas send picks #208 and #252 (5 points when discounted 25%) to the Carolina Panthers for #200 (5 points) ———————— 1-32: Keon Coleman, WR, FSU (Bills) **might swap for Ladd McConkey, WR, Georgia** 3-80: Jermaine Burton, WR, Alabama (Bengals) 3-95: Troy Franklin, WR, Oregon (Broncos) 4-131: Jaden Hicks, S, Washington State (Chiefs - Drafted) 5-149: Hunter Nourzad, IOL, Penn State* (Chiefs - Drafted) **might swap for Jeremiah Trotter Jr., LB, Clemson** 6-194: Kristian Boyd, DT, Northern Iowa (Saints) 6-200: Jaden Crumedy, DT, Mississippi State (Panthers) Last edited by Kellerfox; 04-30-2024 at 11:45 PM.. |
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05-03-2024, 12:24 AM | #1017 |
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Okay, here we go.
First off, I'm not going to accept either of the Chiefs' two draft day trades. However, I'm going to make a trade down with the Colts. I'm giving up Pick 1-32 (138 points after the 25% discount), and in return I will take 2-52 (109 points), 4-117 (25 points), and 7-234 (2 points) Therefore, I now have ten picks. 2-52 2-64 3-95 4-117 4-131 5-167 5-173 (comp pick) 6-208 7-234 7-252 2-52 WR Adonai Mitchell (2-52 Colts) - He was the target of my trade down, because he seemed like a good value compared to my other options. I didn't seriously consider trading up even though I like Worthy. Also considered: Xavier Legette, Jer'zhawn Newton, trade down for Kris Jenkins. 2-64 WR Malachi Corley (3-65 Jets) - I need receiver help badly, so I doubled up on my first two picks, and I didn't see options at other positions that were compelling. Also considered: Andru Phillips, Jermaine Burton, trade down for Adisa Isaac. 3-95 DT DeWayne Carter (3-95 Bills) - I've got a bunch of young guys at DT and I need someone to step up. Carter has a chance to start in that group, but anything can happen. Also considered: McKinnley Jackson, Ja'Tavion Sanders, Brandon Dorlus, Devontez Walker 4-117 RB Jaylen Wright (4-120-Dolphins) - My running back room is really thin, so it made sense to add Wright with a mid-round pick. Also considered: T.J. Tampa 4-131 Sedrick Van Pran-Granger (4-141 - Bills) - I had a big lineup hole at center since Cody Whitehair moved to guard. I strongly debated taking a promising guy lower, but I figure this guy will immediately start and upgrade my line. Also considered: Cam Hart, Anthony Gould, Austin Booker, Jarvis Brownlee, Tommy Eichenberg, Hunter Nourzad. 5-167 OT Walter Rouse (5-177 Vikings) - I'm thin at tackle, but I don't have an immediate need. Rouse will be a developmental guy. Also considered: Quan'tez Stiggers 5-173 CB Caelen Carson (5-174 Cowboys) - I really need cornerbacks, but with other needs I had to take them late. Carson seems to have promise and could easily grab a starting job for us. Also considered: Very strongly considered Johnny Wilson but already drafted two WRs. Also Jase McClellan, D.J. James, Khristian Boyd. 6-208 DE Cedric Johnson (6-214 Bengals) - I've got starters at DE, but need developmental depth. Johnson is a good fit here. Also considered: Ryan Flournoy, Brendan Rice, Nathan Thomas. 7-234 DE Myles Cole (7-236 Jaguars). This was a luxury pick for me since I had most of my needs covered. Again, I need developmental depth at DE. Also considered: Really strongly considered Ladarius Henderson here. Also considered Matt Lee, but decided to invest earlier in a center. 7-252 CB Kalen King (7-255 Packers). My cornerback situation is odd. I've got depth, but need quality starters, so I'm rolling the dice here. Also considered: Really wanted Cornelius Johnson, but I've already spent two high picks on WRs. Also considered Nick Gargulio, but decided to get a center earlier. Last edited by Rain Man; 05-03-2024 at 01:05 AM.. |
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05-03-2024, 10:02 AM | #1018 |
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It's interesting that we're all really desperate for receivers, and we're all taking very different paths to address that need. It'll be fun to see whose approach comes out on top.
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05-03-2024, 12:34 PM | #1019 |
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I thought about going up for Mitchell instead of Burton, I just couldn't make the points work.
As you said Rain, super fascinating that we have a trade up, a stay in place, and a trade down! Last edited by Kellerfox; 05-03-2024 at 12:49 PM.. |
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05-03-2024, 06:11 PM | #1020 |
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Off the top of my head, I've invested 2nd-round picks recently in Andy Isabella, Terrace Marshall, and James Washington, and I've gotten next to nothing from them. At some point I've got to hit on one, right?
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