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Old 04-06-2024, 01:54 PM   #2
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True.

I personally just think a 1st rounder should be expected to start.

And for the record, I loved FAU as a prospect. Didn't think he would be used as little as he was.
It can go either way, could be a trading point for a team picking high in the 2nd to jump back in for that 5th year option on a player they covet.
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Old 04-06-2024, 04:39 PM   #3
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True.

I personally just think a 1st rounder should be expected to start.

And for the record, I loved FAU as a prospect. Didn't think he would be used as little as he was.

Yeah **** Mahomes that piece of shit not starting his first year first rounder. Wasted a whole year paying him to do nothing!
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Old 04-06-2024, 05:07 PM   #4
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Yeah **** Mahomes that piece of shit not starting his first year first rounder. Wasted a whole year paying him to do nothing!
QB is not the same as other positions.

And usually if you spend a high first round pick on a QB they will play at some point. The only reason Mahomes didn't was because Andy Reid decided Alex Smith was going to start every game, no matter what.

It was also reported that Mahomes looked better than Alex fairly quickly. So the fact that Mahomes didn't take over had nothing to do with his talent or readiness to play.

My belief is Mahomes probably needed 4-6 games to master enough of the offense to be comfortable starting.
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Old 04-06-2024, 05:21 PM   #5
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QB is not the same as other positions.

And usually if you spend a high first round pick on a QB they will play at some point. The only reason Mahomes didn't was because Andy Reid decided Alex Smith was going to start every game, no matter what.
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Mahomes didn't start because Andy knows how to groom a QB.

Sitting a guy year 1 works out more often than it doesn't. Guys aren't starting more in year 1 because they're more ready or mature - it's because GM's and HC's are trying to save their jobs...
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Old 04-06-2024, 05:26 PM   #6
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Mahomes didn't start because Andy knows how to groom a QB.

Sitting a guy year 1 works out more often than it doesn't. Guys aren't starting more in year 1 because they're more ready or mature - it's because GM's and HC's are trying to save their jobs...
Too small of a sample size to say.

And also the QB's that can sit for 1 year are on better teams like the Chiefs and Packers.

Mahomes could have played his first year. He didn't need to sit the whole time, it was Andy being loyal to Alex and wanting a smooth transition more than Mahomes needing to be "developed". That was a myth.
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Old 04-06-2024, 05:38 PM   #7
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Mahomes could have played his first year. He didn't need to sit the whole time, it was Andy being loyal to Alex and wanting a smooth transition more than Mahomes needing to be "developed". That was a myth.
Mahomes himself said he wasn't ready to start year 1 and that he learned a ton from Alex. Everything from how to be a pro to how to play the position. You're not only the most important player on the field but the leader of that group as well. You can fail a 1,000 different ways.
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Old 04-06-2024, 05:49 PM   #8
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Mahomes himself said he wasn't ready to start year 1 and that he learned a ton from Alex. Everything from how to be a pro to how to play the position. You're not only the most important player on the field but the leader of that group as well. You can fail a 1,000 different ways.
Of course he's going to say that. Why would he question Reid after the fact?!


And it is true he wasn't fully ready Game 1 2017 season. No rookie is.
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Old 04-06-2024, 07:53 PM   #9
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Too small of a sample size to say.

And also the QB's that can sit for 1 year are on better teams like the Chiefs and Packers.

Mahomes could have played his first year. He didn't need to sit the whole time, it was Andy being loyal to Alex and wanting a smooth transition more than Mahomes needing to be "developed". That was a myth.
What would be a large enough sample size for you?
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Old 04-06-2024, 08:38 PM   #10
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Mahomes didn't start because Andy knows how to groom a QB.

Sitting a guy year 1 works out more often than it doesn't. Guys aren't starting more in year 1 because they're more ready or mature - it's because GM's and HC's are trying to save their jobs...
I have no idea why teams do that. Look at Zach Wilson and Jordan Love. Both guys were raw as hell but had really high ceilings bc they were mobile players with really strong arms that could make off platform throws the way Mahomes does regularly.

One sat and learned behind a veteran QB with absolutely no pressure. The other was the “savior” in NYC Ana thrown out there immediately in bad conditions.

People forget that Jordan Love looked horrible when he first started. Spags blitzed him relentlessly when we played him and he looked like a deer in the headlights. But GB put him in the film room and taught him to read defenses and now he looks like a top 10 QB.

Teams need to learn the Packer way. Andy sure did with Mahomes.
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QB is not the same as other positions.

And usually if you spend a high first round pick on a QB they will play at some point. The only reason Mahomes didn't was because Andy Reid decided Alex Smith was going to start every game, no matter what.

It was also reported that Mahomes looked better than Alex fairly quickly. So the fact that Mahomes didn't take over had nothing to do with his talent or readiness to play.

My belief is Mahomes probably needed 4-6 games to master enough of the offense to be comfortable starting.

How about Eric Fisher? He started at RT because that was his job. Do we really lose anything if it’s Donald Stephenson there instead? And do you think a year of Fisher playing on the wrong side and getting his confidence blown to shit was all that impactful for his future career?

I mean yeah, he was a first rounder and he started, but…
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Old 04-06-2024, 07:28 PM   #12
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QB is not the same as other positions.

And usually if you spend a high first round pick on a QB they will play at some point. The only reason Mahomes didn't was because Andy Reid decided Alex Smith was going to start every game, no matter what.

It was also reported that Mahomes looked better than Alex fairly quickly. So the fact that Mahomes didn't take over had nothing to do with his talent or readiness to play.

My belief is Mahomes probably needed 4-6 games to master enough of the offense to be comfortable starting.
No. It's because the Chiefs coaching staff has a plan for every single player. They had a plan for Mahomes and stuck to it. They had a plan for Rice and stuck to it. They have a plan for FAU and stuck to it. They draft players with a clear plan in mind for development and a long view for the player in the franchise. Why does veach target young players in the draft? So he can take a long view and consider second contracts for those players responsible rather than end up in the in between like with Sneed. With FAU, they needed him to put on twenty pounds. That doesn't happen without red shirting, and certainly not on the abbreviated off season rookies get.
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Old 04-06-2024, 09:36 PM   #13
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Yeah **** Mahomes that piece of shit not starting his first year first rounder. Wasted a whole year paying him to do nothing!
Ummm...yeah...we did.

Might have cost us a Super Bowl. He should have played from day 1.
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True.

I personally just think a 1st rounder should be expected to start.

And for the record, I loved FAU as a prospect. Didn't think he would be used as little as he was.
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Why do you expect a rookie 1st rounder to start especially on a team that is coming off a Superbowl win? Seems dumb to me that Superbowl or playoff team will require a rookie to be who is not even top 22 in his draft class to be a top 22 player on the team drafting him.
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Why do you expect a rookie 1st rounder to start especially on a team that is coming off a Superbowl win? Seems dumb to me that Superbowl or playoff team will require a rookie to be who is not even top 22 in his draft class to be a top 22 player on the team drafting him.
Especially when the Chiefs are going to constantly be picking late in the first round where you’re very unlikely to have a blue chip player available without a trade up. Most drafts picking late in the first gets you upper 2nd round talent.
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