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dlphg9 · 02-08-2021, 03:11 AM

Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl.

7 penalties for 82 yds on KC

1 penalty for 5 yds on TB

5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime.

On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties

The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38.

The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles.

Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down.

Very next play Bucs score a TD.

Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line.

The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game.

That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor.

Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do.

There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards.

These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come.

Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been.

Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties

His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties

Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined.

Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better.

Here's some more "interesting" stats

So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized

47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards.

His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards.

Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called.

11 games

135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties

That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team

Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties

Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties.

The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12.

50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing.

Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom.

RunKC · 02-08-2021, 07:54 AM

My biggest problem was the holding penalty that took away the Matheiu interception. It was extremely lame and that wasn’t garnered to be called. It changed the entire landscape of the game too. We had the momentum after they stopped the Bucs on the 1 yard line on 4th down and then made that an interception.

And that Matheiu penalty in the endzone was the same bullshit that gave the Bucs 4 points.

**ChiTown** · 02-08-2021, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Jesus dude, the Chiefs OL got away with a ton of blatant holding as well. The difference is your backups got destroyed anyway because they aren't even good enough to protect Mahomes holding for dear life.

Chiefs get pretty much all the calls these days. Your DB's constantly held/mugged the Bills receivers with few if any flags.

Injuries doomed you. Not officials. The smart play by the NFL was to have Mahomes beat Brady officially taking the torch.

JFC - just stop with that stupid line of BS. Other than that, the rest of your post is accurate

RaidersOftheCellar · 02-08-2021, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Jesus dude, the Chiefs OL got away with a ton of blatant holding as well. The difference is your backups got destroyed anyway because they aren't even good enough to protect Mahomes holding for dear life.

Chiefs get pretty much all the calls these days. Your DB's constantly held/mugged the Bills receivers with few if any flags.

Injuries doomed you. Not officials. The smart play by the NFL was to have Mahomes beat Brady officially taking the torch.

The Chiefs were one of the most-penalized teams this year and were absolutely raped by officiating in both of Mahomes’ losses this year.

**DaFace** · 02-08-2021, 08:13 AM

The refs sucked, yes, but I think it's like a 95% chance we lose the game even if they didn't call a single penalty in the first half.

We got beat. It is what it is.

Buckweath · 02-08-2021, 08:23 AM

I usually don't blame the refs either but I think the refs really hurt the Chiefs yesterday. Everything that they called could be called but is rarely called and that just killed any potential change of momentum.

You guys forgot to mention the no call on Pringle near the endzone in the 2nd half, which would have lead to a TD.

That being said, long term I believe all teams get wronged by the refs at the same level. And 49ers last year might have a point that the refs favored the Chiefs. 49ers fans certainly felt this way. The Browns too this year. Maybe even the Bills. So it is fair game I guess.

The Oline was just a complete disaster as everyone has said.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-08-2021, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

The refs sucked, yes, but I think it's like a 95% chance we lose the game even if they didn't call a single penalty in the first half.

We got beat. It is what it is.

+1

SupDock · 02-08-2021, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

The refs sucked, yes, but I think it's like a 95% chance we lose the game even if they didn't call a single penalty in the first half.

We got beat. It is what it is.

That's exactly where I am. I would be willing to spend some time analyzing how stupid some of those calls were, but in the end I don't think it would have mattered.

It was still very frustrating to watch

ThaVirus · 02-08-2021, 08:31 AM

The refs were definitely calling weird shit. The holding call on Ward to nullify the INT and the DPI on Mathieu in the end zone were both absolute horseshit. The personal fouls on Jones and Mathieu were also pretty bad.

But we lost this game due to other reasons. If we had come out there fired up and focused, we'd have overcome those penalties like great teams do. Instead the whole team outside of Mahomes, CEH and Butker choked. The biggest issues were:

1) Offensive line play. It was absolute garbage all night. Like, collectively the worst effort I've seen in quite some time. Every man on that line should be embarrassed. Remmers especially has now been a part of two of the worst OL performances in the Super Bowl in the last 20 years probably. Injuries suck but you just cannot expect to consistently win big games with guys like Remmers, Wylie and Wisniewski starting.

If there were any QB back there besides Mahomes, they'd have taken 8+ sacks last night. It took a Herculean effort for him to only take 2.

2) That debacle right before the end of the 1st half was inexcusable. Calling the first timeout or two wasn't a horrible idea, though, I didn't like it. We'd just had 29:30 to score points and only mustered 6. What did we really expect to do with :30 and maybe 1 timeout? But whatever. The timeouts were called so how did the defense allow that big DPI to Mike Evans? And then the DPI on Mathieu in the end zone (should have been illegal contact at worst)?

We should have been content to go into the half down 14-6. We were getting the ball back. At that point, the game's wide open. Instead, we pulled that little stunt, giving up another 7 points and getting humiliated with another 60 yards of penalties in the process. If we let the Bucs kneel out that half, it's potentially a totally different ball game.

3) The defense didn't show up. Gronk probably went over 100 yards and had 2 TDs, we made Fournette/Ronald Jones look like All-Stars and there wasn't nearly enough pressure on Brady after those first couple drives.

4) The pass catchers dropping balls and not winning 1-on-1s. Two miracle throws from Mahomes hit Hill and Williams right on the facemask right at the goal line and they were both dropped. Kelce had a big 3rd down drop that stalled a crucial drive we needed to stop the bleeding. Hardman was targeted/touched the ball probably 6-7 times and gained maybe like 8 yards total. Watkins was invisible. One of Mahomes' INTs was the direct result of Hill waiting for the ball to come to him, which allowed the DB the opportunity to get his hand in to cause the deflection leading to the INT.

lawrenceRaider · 02-08-2021, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The personal fouls on Jones and Mathieu were also pretty bad.

The Jones call was 100% correct. In fact he threw a punch and should have been ejected. So the Chiefs actually got one in their favor there.

okoyeandcream · 02-08-2021, 08:38 AM

please stop with the excuses. We sucked. Mahomes sucked. He was TERRIBLE, looked like a rookie out there.

The whole of America is listening to these exuses and laughing even harder than they were last night.

It sucks to be the butt of all these jokes but well have to use it as motivation for next year.

Chiefnj2 · 02-08-2021, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

The Jones call was 100% correct. In fact he threw a punch and should have been ejected. So the Chiefs actually got one in their favor there.

Every team knows you can get under his skin and get him to retaliate and get caught. He needs to play smarter.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 02-08-2021, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

The refs were definitely calling weird shit. The holding call on Ward to nullify the INT and the DPI on Mathieu in the end zone were both absolute horseshit. The personal fouls on Jones and Mathieu were also pretty bad.

But we lost this game due to other reasons. If we had come out there fired up and focused, we'd have overcome those penalties like great teams do. Instead the whole team outside of Mahomes, CEH and Butker choked. The biggest issues were:

1) Offensive line play. It was absolute garbage all night. Like, collectively the worst effort I've seen in quite some time. Every man on that line should be embarrassed. Remmers especially has now been a part of two of the worst OL performances in the Super Bowl in the last 20 years probably. Injuries suck but you just cannot expect to consistently win big games with guys like Remmers, Wylie and Wisniewski starting.

If there were any QB back there besides Mahomes, they'd have taken 8+ sacks last night. It took a Herculean effort for him to only take 2.

2) That debacle right before the end of the 1st half was inexcusable. Calling the first timeout or two wasn't a horrible idea, though, I didn't like it. We'd just had 29:30 to score points and only mustered 6. What did we really expect to do with :30 and maybe 1 timeout? But whatever. The timeouts were called so how did the defense allow that big DPI to Mike Evans? And then the DPI on Mathieu in the end zone (should have been illegal contact at worst)?

We should have been content to go into the half down 14-6. We were getting the ball back. At that point, the game's wide open. Instead, we pulled that little stunt, giving up another 7 points and getting humiliated with another 60 yards of penalties in the process. If we let the Bucs kneel out that half, it's potentially a totally different ball game.

3) The defense didn't show up. Gronk probably went over 100 yards and had 2 TDs, we made Fournette/Ronald Jones look like All-Stars and there wasn't nearly enough pressure on Brady after those first couple drives.

4) The pass catchers dropping balls and not winning 1-on-1s. Two miracle throws from Mahomes hit Hill and Williams right on the facemask right at the goal line and they were both dropped. Kelce had a big 3rd down drop that stalled a crucial drive we needed to stop the bleeding. Hardman was targeted/touched the ball probably 6-7 times and gained maybe like 8 yards total. Watkins was invisible. One of Mahomes' INTs was the direct result of Hill waiting for the ball to come to him, which allowed the DB the opportunity to get his hand in to cause the deflection leading to the INT.

5) are punter is a bag of dicks...

ThaVirus · 02-08-2021, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

The Jones call was 100% correct. In fact he threw a punch and should have been ejected. So the Chiefs actually got one in their favor there.

Hmm, maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but it seemed like an open-handed palm push. Early in the Super Bowl, that's 100% just a break it up type of situation.

I will agree with the other poster, though, that the league now knows it's easy to bait him into drawing dumbass penalties. I'm sure the league caught wind of the punch he threw against the Bills and that probably contributed to the quick flag this time around.

tmax63 · 02-08-2021, 09:01 AM

Point #2, I understand AR taking a timeout trying to get another chance to score before halftime especially with getting the ball 1st in the 2nd. What he didn't count on was 2 bullshit penalties giving TB 44 yards in penalties of the 75 yards they traveled.

**The Franchise** · 02-08-2021, 09:08 AM

How was our defensive line supposed to get any pass rush? The penalties forced the DBs to stop playing aggressive and completely changed any gameplan we had against Brady. Look at those first two drives by the defense. That was our real defense.

But that offense outside of Mahomes was god awful. Horrible blocking. Horrible execution. Horrible play calling.

02-08-2021, 03:11 AM
dlphg9 MVP dlphg9's Avatar Join Date: Oct 2010	Yeah the line was horrendous, but the refs put this game out of reach Play by the line was the worst excuse for blocking that I have ever seen and the WRs let Pat down so many times it was unreal, but our play way the least of our worries. The refs were not going to let Tom Brady lose a home Super Bowl. 7 penalties for 82 yds on KC 1 penalty for 5 yds on TB 5 of those 7 penalties were key reasons as to why the Bucs had a 21-6 lead at halftime. On the Bucs 2nd TD they were gifted 3 huge penalties The holding call on the punt which made us punt again. Punt was shanked and instead of the Bucs starting at their own 30 they start at the KC 38. The horse shit defensive holding call that negated a Mathieu int. One of many penalties that was borderline at best. This type of play happens all season and is rarely called during the regular season and is never called in the postseason since the officials typically swallow their whistles. Horseshit offsides call on the FG which resulted in a first down. Didn't look like he was lined up in the neutral zone and there definitely should have been a measurement to verify that it was actually a first down. Very next play Bucs score a TD. Bucs 3rd TD drive to go up 21-6 right before halftime is another bullshit sequence of ticky tack penalties that should never been called. One 34 yard pass interference call because feet got tangled and the WR fell. A play you see, but is never called a penalty. A few plays later we see a ball thrown out of the back of the end zone that nearly hits the wall, a ball that had no chance of being caught, but still the flags come in flying. PI on TM and the ball goes to the 1 yard line. The officials seemed to be calling two different games. When the Bucs had the ball the officials were quick to throw a flag, but once the Chiefs went on offense this officiating crew decided to go back to the way playoff games are normally called and they didn't want to affect the game. That game should have been 10-6 at half and the momentum would have been in KCs favor. Sure during a game I will bitch about officiating, but once I've had time to think rationally I'm usually not a blame the refs guy. I gave myself some time to think about this loss with a clear head and I still very strongly believe those officials influenced the outcome of that game and it was much more than they typically do. There was one play towards the end of the game where Suh lunged at Pat leading with his helmet and it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact with Pat, no flag. Another time I saw someone hit Pat in the helmet with their hand, no flag. I saw multiple instances in which a defender made contact with a receiver early or grabbing and holding a receiver after the initial 5 yards. These guys are playing against the best of the best and it doesn't take many mistakes to cause a superior team to lose to an inferior team. Having shit stain refs that are clearly favoring 1 team over the other can be impossible to over come. Tom Brady has consistently had the refs help him out. I went back to the NE vs NYG game, which just happens to be the most fairly officiated game and what a surprise the Tom Bradies lost that game, to see how fair the officiating has been. Tom Brady teams (5 games) - 21 penalties/146 penalty yds/17 1st downs from penalties His opponents - 40 penalties/344 penalty yds/8 1st downs from penalties Hell tonight we had 120 penalty yards which is only 26 yds less than Tom's teams have had in 5 games. Tonight Tom's team got 6 first downs from the result of a penalty. That's almost the entire total of his SB opponents combined. Once again the refs were instrumental in Tom winning another Super Bowl. Tom's and the Patriots dynasty/legacy is the biggest fraud in sports. Phony champions that consistently cheated and required the NFL and refs to bail them out. The sooner that fraud Tom hangs it up the better. Here's some more "interesting" stats So Tom Brady has had 10 SB games and in those 10 games his teams have been penalized 47 times for 324 yds and has been given 26 1st downs from penalty yards. His opponents have been penalized 71 times for a total of 562 yards and have 15 1st downs from penalty yards. Now let's look at games since 2001 in which Tom Brady wasn't present and see how penalties were called. 11 games 135 penalties, 1125 yards, 29 1st downs from Penalties That averages out to 6.1 penalties, 51 yards, 1.3 1st downs off penalties per team Opponents of the Tom in the SB average 7.1 penalties, 56 yards, and 1.5 1st downs from penalties Tom Bradys team averages in the SB are 4.7 penalties, 32.4 yards, 2.6 1st downs from penalties. The 1st downs from penalties is the most bullshit of all. Since 2001 there has only been 4 teams that have gotten 4 or more 1st downs from penalties. Tom Bradys teams have been the recipients of 3 of those 4. There has been 12 instances in which teams were awarded 3 or more first downs from Penalties. Tom Brady's teams got 5 out of the 12. 50% of the time Tom has been helped by more than 3 penalties for 1st downs. Only 20% of Tom's opponents have benefitted from that same stat. In 11 other SBs between 22 teams only 23% of teams benefitted from the same thing. Tom's a God damn fraud. I wish someone in the media would bring up the bias that the refs show Tom. Last edited by dlphg9; 02-09-2021 at 02:11 PM..
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02-08-2021, 07:54 AM	#16
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter RunKC's Avatar Join Date: Apr 2012	My biggest problem was the holding penalty that took away the Matheiu interception. It was extremely lame and that wasn’t garnered to be called. It changed the entire landscape of the game too. We had the momentum after they stopped the Bucs on the 1 yard line on 4th down and then made that an interception. And that Matheiu penalty in the endzone was the same bullshit that gave the Bucs 4 points.
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02-08-2021, 08:13 AM	#19
DaFace Kind of a mod DaFace's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land	The refs sucked, yes, but I think it's like a 95% chance we lose the game even if they didn't call a single penalty in the first half. We got beat. It is what it is.
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02-08-2021, 08:23 AM	#20
Buckweath Veteran Buckweath's Avatar Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada	I usually don't blame the refs either but I think the refs really hurt the Chiefs yesterday. Everything that they called could be called but is rarely called and that just killed any potential change of momentum. You guys forgot to mention the no call on Pringle near the endzone in the 2nd half, which would have lead to a TD. That being said, long term I believe all teams get wronged by the refs at the same level. And 49ers last year might have a point that the refs favored the Chiefs. 49ers fans certainly felt this way. The Browns too this year. Maybe even the Bills. So it is fair game I guess. The Oline was just a complete disaster as everyone has said.
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02-08-2021, 08:31 AM	#23
ThaVirus You gotta kill a few people ThaVirus's Avatar Join Date: Sep 2007	The refs were definitely calling weird shit. The holding call on Ward to nullify the INT and the DPI on Mathieu in the end zone were both absolute horseshit. The personal fouls on Jones and Mathieu were also pretty bad. But we lost this game due to other reasons. If we had come out there fired up and focused, we'd have overcome those penalties like great teams do. Instead the whole team outside of Mahomes, CEH and Butker choked. The biggest issues were: 1) Offensive line play. It was absolute garbage all night. Like, collectively the worst effort I've seen in quite some time. Every man on that line should be embarrassed. Remmers especially has now been a part of two of the worst OL performances in the Super Bowl in the last 20 years probably. Injuries suck but you just cannot expect to consistently win big games with guys like Remmers, Wylie and Wisniewski starting. If there were any QB back there besides Mahomes, they'd have taken 8+ sacks last night. It took a Herculean effort for him to only take 2. 2) That debacle right before the end of the 1st half was inexcusable. Calling the first timeout or two wasn't a horrible idea, though, I didn't like it. We'd just had 29:30 to score points and only mustered 6. What did we really expect to do with :30 and maybe 1 timeout? But whatever. The timeouts were called so how did the defense allow that big DPI to Mike Evans? And then the DPI on Mathieu in the end zone (should have been illegal contact at worst)? We should have been content to go into the half down 14-6. We were getting the ball back. At that point, the game's wide open. Instead, we pulled that little stunt, giving up another 7 points and getting humiliated with another 60 yards of penalties in the process. If we let the Bucs kneel out that half, it's potentially a totally different ball game. 3) The defense didn't show up. Gronk probably went over 100 yards and had 2 TDs, we made Fournette/Ronald Jones look like All-Stars and there wasn't nearly enough pressure on Brady after those first couple drives. 4) The pass catchers dropping balls and not winning 1-on-1s. Two miracle throws from Mahomes hit Hill and Williams right on the facemask right at the goal line and they were both dropped. Kelce had a big 3rd down drop that stalled a crucial drive we needed to stop the bleeding. Hardman was targeted/touched the ball probably 6-7 times and gained maybe like 8 yards total. Watkins was invisible. One of Mahomes' INTs was the direct result of Hill waiting for the ball to come to him, which allowed the DB the opportunity to get his hand in to cause the deflection leading to the INT.
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02-08-2021, 08:38 AM	#25
okoyeandcream Starter Join Date: Jan 2021	please stop with the excuses. We sucked. Mahomes sucked. He was TERRIBLE, looked like a rookie out there. The whole of America is listening to these exuses and laughing even harder than they were last night. It sucks to be the butt of all these jokes but well have to use it as motivation for next year.
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02-08-2021, 09:01 AM	#29
tmax63 Veteran Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Colorado	Point #2, I understand AR taking a timeout trying to get another chance to score before halftime especially with getting the ball 1st in the 2nd. What he didn't count on was 2 bullshit penalties giving TB 44 yards in penalties of the 75 yards they traveled.
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02-08-2021, 09:08 AM	#30
The Franchise Most Valuable Villain The Franchise's Avatar Join Date: Dec 2006	How was our defensive line supposed to get any pass rush? The penalties forced the DBs to stop playing aggressive and completely changed any gameplan we had against Brady. Look at those first two drives by the defense. That was our real defense. But that offense outside of Mahomes was god awful. Horrible blocking. Horrible execution. Horrible play calling.
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