***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

The majority of our city council members have the combined IQ of JakeE after someone hit him in the head with a coconut 8 times.

The pro group the anti group or both?

Madison is the only guy that seems to have a clue of the 8.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

The pro group the anti group or both?

Madison is the only guy that seems to have a clue of the 8.

Madison and Brian are the only two with any sense.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

Madison and Brian are the only two with any sense.

Brian is a hardcore lib though. He would have us looking like Seattle.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Brian is a hardcore lib though. He would have us looking like Seattle.

I know he is, but at least he has a brain and can make valid points.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by O.city

Median time I had seen to symptom onset was 5 days.

I haven't seen really any that stretch out to that 14 day mark or anything close. Last I talked to the infectious disease guy here that I know a little, he said they're thinking once you hit that 10 day mark with no symptoms you're ok, but can't confirm.

The 10 day mark is correct now. I was positive with symptoms out to day 7 but went 72 hours symptom free after that and was back to work on day 10. We do the same with our people testing asymptomatic positive. No symptoms by day 10, you're back at work.

[suzzer99]

lewdog have you noticed any loss of lung capacity? Did you do any kind of hard cardio stuff before, and if so are you back to the same level?

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

lewdog have you noticed any loss of lung capacity? Did you do any kind of hard cardio stuff before, and if so are you back to the same level?

lew still does pushups whilst he shits

[dirk digler]

Another re-infection case though this one hasn't been peer-reviewed like the first one. When the person was re-infected with a different mutation he ended up in the hospital with worse symptoms. This is interesting read.

For case A to experience 11 mutations to become case B, the virus would have had to exhibit a rate of 83.64 substitutions per year, a 12 rate that markedly exceeds that of 23.12, currently observed 30. However, of enormous significance, 13 four of the discordant loci seen between case A and case B would be reversions specific to the ancestral 14 genotype. The odds of this occurring are vanishingly remote and virtually assure that these are two 15 distinct viral infection events. Of course, if such a remarkable event of base change didoccur in that 16 timeframe, then the remarkable nature of cases A and B would shift from a case of possible reinfection 17 to a case of high-rate evolution within an infected individual.

A 25 yr old patient in Nevada has a confirmed case of #COVID19 reinfection (48 days apart between 1st and 2nd PCR).

This time, unlike the case in Hong Kong, the immune system did not protect this person from reinfection or disease. (1/n)https://t.co/9gMThBoMu2

— Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (@VirusesImmunity) August 28, 2020

[TLO]

Coronavirus Cases:
6,070,630

Re-Infections
2

[TLO]

That's obviously not the true number, (on either count), but I definitely don't think this is the norm. We'd be seeing it much more often.

[BigCatDaddy]

Give me some good news TLO and OC! All you other morans keep the noise down.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Give me some good news TLO and OC! All you other morans keep the noise down.

Do you not agree that infections are alarming and death is a bad thing? /Donger

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

That's obviously not the true number, (on either count), but I definitely don't think this is the norm. We'd be seeing it much more often.

There was anecdotal evidence of reinfections a couple of months ago but people largely dismissed it. But it makes sense that reinfections will occur. We will probably just need to get a vaccine shot every year.

Here is the video of the doctor who had a patient die from possible "re-infection" and I posted about it at the time. This won't make BCD happy.

Dr David Thrasher Montgomery Critical Care had patient in June who got either reinfected or relapsed after 4 months & died. Maybe samples still available to sequence? https://t.co/MdLyx0zSEu

— Yves Dawtur (@Ydawtr) August 28, 2020

[staylor26]

Can’t believe there are still people fear mongering

[Donger]

Originally Posted by loochy

Do you not agree that infections are alarming and death is a bad thing? /Donger

40,000 new cases and 1,000 deaths/day aren't exactly good. We are now below 6% nationally, which is getting better.