***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Actually this was being discussed this morning with the NYU guys. There are still studies going on with this and they were talking with the Cleveland Clinic this morning. They are also working on studies that still use zinc but with other methods to help get the zinc absorbed into the body.

A review of seven trials showed no efficacy for zinc either on its own or in combination with hydroxychloroquine.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by DaFace

See: post regarding scientific consensus.

https://jacksoncoker.com/landing-pag...9_medications/

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Then explain to us why people shouldn't trust Dr. Fauci.

Because he is an unelected official who apparently has had significant input on issuing recommendations that have led to draconian restrictions on business operations and the personal freedoms of law abiding citizens.

And Fauci is a hypocrite... he is only willing to do a “modified” self-quarantine after he was directly exposed to people in the White House who tested positive for COVID-19.

Would he recommend a similar “modified” self-quarantine to other 79 year olds who have been exposed to a positive case of the virus?

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

A review of seven trials showed no efficacy for zinc either on its own or in combination with hydroxychloroquine.

A review of other trials has shown the exact opposite. Just posted two more today.

So I mean the SCIENCE is always changing, best not to just dismiss what OTHER experts are saying because you have a AGENDA.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

A review of seven trials showed no efficacy for zinc either on its own or in combination with hydroxychloroquine.

Maybe you should call and tell them?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Excellent article on herd-immunity and how vaccines affect it, R0, and fatality rate.

I would encourage everyone to read this. It also has a tool you can use to demonstrate how many people need to get the disease for herd immunity and what the total fatalities would be based upon the fatality rate.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-wont-save-us/

Read it this morning, this part stuck out to me:

And reaching herd immunity as the outbreak is raging is a completely different scenario than, for example, doing so after a vaccine has been created. With a vaccine, you can immunize people before they’ve encountered the virus, so by the time the virus gets to a vaccinated population, it has nowhere to spread. But in an active outbreak, even once the herd immunity threshold is reached, the infection keeps going. It takes time for the spread of the disease to crest because, for a while at least, many contagious people will each still infect a small number of vulnerable people, which means even more people will get sick and die. It’s a phenomenon known as “overshoot.”

“The disease sort of stops increasing at the point when you reach herd immunity, but there’s still lots and lots of people infected. It only slowly goes down, and on its way down, [it] infects another third of the population,” said Richard Neher, an evolutionary biologist at the University of Basel in Switzerland. “If you drive a car and suddenly you switch off the engine, it doesn’t stop instantly.”

So think of crossing the herd immunity threshold as determining the fate of the disease (it’s now bound to die out) rather than its status (it’s dead).

Since the new coronavirus is highly contagious (meaning a large percentage of the population would have to get it to slow its spread), the human toll of reaching herd immunity without a vaccine would be staggering. And that’s assuming that once a person gets sick, they stay immune for a long time. But at this point, we don’t know if that’s the case.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Excellent article on herd-immunity and how vaccines affect it, R0, and fatality rate.

I would encourage everyone to read this. It also has a tool you can use to demonstrate how many people need to get the disease for herd immunity and what the total fatalities would be based upon the fatality rate.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-wont-save-us/

Waiting a decade or never for a scalable/effective vaccine is a more “realistic” option?

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Because he is an unelected official who apparently has had significant input on issuing recommendations that have led to draconian restrictions on business operations and the personal freedoms of law abiding citizens.

And Fauci is a hypocrite... he is only willing to do a “modified” self-quarantine after he was directly exposed to people in the White House who tested positive for COVID-19.

Would he recommend a similar “modified” self-quarantine to other 79 year olds who have been exposed to a positive case of the virus?

I am not going to fault Fauci for his lack of economic understanding of all this. That part is not his job. I will however point out that a few months ago he told us this was nothing for us to worry about and we would not have to change our lifestyles.Then just over a month ago he was stating that masks were really not that useful and more psychological.

People can spin why he said what he said but obviously as it turns out he was wrong. Which is why I like to hear from more than just one person on any kind of issue of this magnitude.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by TLO

Looks at title of thread.

***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

Looks at Detoxing's post.

@ "NON POLITICAL".

This thread has been anything but that. That ship sailed a long time ago.

If you want this thread to be what some intend on it being, then discourse needs to be removed all together.

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by Donger

Masks don't do jack shit!

I bet they do a good job of hiding your face on them late night break in’s

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

@ "NON POLITICAL".

This thread has been anything but that. That ship sailed a long time ago.

If you want this thread to be what some intend on it being, then discourse needs to be removed all together.

It's basically impossible to avoid it at this point, decisions are being made based on politics.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am not going to fault Fauci for his lack of economic understanding of all this. That part is not his job. I will however point out that a few months ago he told us this was nothing for us to worry about and we would not have to change our lifestyles.Then just over a month ago he was stating that masks were really not that useful and more psychological.

People can spin why he said what he said but obviously as it turns out he was wrong. Which is why I like to hear from more than just one person on any kind of issue of this magnitude.

He said that it wasn't a major concern YET back in February. That was because we didn't have any cases of community spread.

I don't recall him saying that about masks. I do recall the exact opposite more than a month ago.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by R Clark

I bet they do a good job of hiding your face on them late night break in’s

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I am not going to fault Fauci for his lack of economic understanding of all this. That part is not his job. I will however point out that a few months ago he told us this was nothing for us to worry about and we would not have to change our lifestyles.Then just over a month ago he was stating that masks were really not that useful and more psychological.

People can spin why he said what he said but obviously as it turns out he was wrong. Which is why I like to hear from more than just one person on any kind of issue of this magnitude.

Assuming this isn't just the mother of all trolling jobs, I gotta say that if you live by this code it's amazing you ever come to a decision on anything in your life. Literally every person you've ever come in contact with, expert or otherwise has been "wrong" about something due to the situation being fluid and gaining new information.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

@ "NON POLITICAL".

This thread has been anything but that. That ship sailed a long time ago.

If you want this thread to be what some intend on it being, then discourse needs to be removed all together.

Originally it was meant to be a thread that wasn't bogged down in criticisms of the feds' response. I never would have guessed that Fauci would somehow become viewed as a political figure, but here we are.

My personal preference would be that the thread become a place to discuss evidence-based policy, but that's pretty much impossible to moderate.