***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[wazu]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm not surprised that it's a possibility, but it's odd that they'd say that it will likely happen when we're 2-3 months out from that. A lot can change between now and then.

It's the most merciful thing they could have done. Now people know to just move the hell away. California is closed indefinitely.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by eDave

As Phoenix starts to re-open, bars and restaurants are not going to pay entertainers or at best at 1/2 price (for a full set). On record saying entertainers should do it for the love of entertaining and to secure future gigs by helping them out now.

And many will do it. But by playing for free, they are contributing to the demise of a situation that was already an issue (in a cutthroat community) and is now going to be a bigger one. As hard as the fight has been to get paid, this has blown that all up.

Owners will just reduce the amount they pay for performers, which is already ridiculously low. Plus, once you perform for half price or a third of the price, that's your worth. Why would anyone else pay more down the line?

I'd advise anyone and everyone to stop this Race To The Bottom.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Add on to this, what are you going to do with a total economic collapse in LA County?

Exactly how are you going to mitigate that? Virus wont look like shit in some area's compared to the economic destruction

Yeah this is being overdramatic. You certainly don't think New York's economy is really doing great right now. If you become a hotspot, you're toast.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

LA County 'with all certainty' extending stay at home order through JULY per the LA Times.

Breaking: Los Angeles County’s stay-at-home orders will “with all certainty” be extended for the next three months, Los Angeles County Public Health Director Barbara Ferrer acknowledged during a Board of Supervisors meeting on Tuesday https://t.co/jswRcZ5FkS
— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) May 12, 2020

Wow, things are going to get ugly.

[O.city]

That's just crazy though.

If I were an official I wouldn't ever put a date on it. If you hit that date and have to extend, you're gonna get shit on.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Wow, things are going to get ugly.

If the virus ceased to exist today, and all victims were miraculously healed, things would still get incredibly ugly. Too much damage already done. At every level our society should be desperately seeking ways to reopen every possible industry as fast as humanly possible.

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by eDave

So depressing. I'm a single guy at home alone. It's killing me and am noticing my mental health is deteriorating.

Dude, you need to go do something and GTFO of the house. If nothing else, grab one of your guns, go out to the middle of nowhere and target practice. I'm itching to get out atving, but it keeps snowing in the foothills. We had sleet here in town just yesterday.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bwana

Wow, things are going to get ugly.

It's a strange decision, IMO, because the mayor just opened up the parks and trails.

People will be out in droves this weekend making this difficult to enforce for another 11 weeks.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by wazu

If the virus ceased to exist today, and all victims were miraculously healed, things would still get incredibly ugly. .

im going to disagree here.


not much would change from before all this IMO

[Bwana]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It's a strange decision, IMO, because the mayor just opened up the parks and trails.

People will be out in droves this weekend making this difficult to enforce for another 11 weeks.

See that's exactly the way I see it, at some point, people are going to get tired of it and say screw this.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Bwana

See that's exactly the way I see it, at some point, people are going to get tired of it and say screw this.

As they should.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by eDave

I can see that as Tempe is ASUtown. But in my neighborhood, I drove by a bar in my neighborhood and it was packed too. Peeked in the window, NO ONE had a facemask on.

I'm sitting out for a bit longer. AZ cases are rising faster now.

Yeah, I was originally thinking I'd be back in PHX by the end of the month.

Not anymore.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Bwana

See that's exactly the way I see it, at some point, people are going to get tired of it and say screw this.

Yup,

Civil Disobedience will see major uptick, god help us if shots are fired.

In some places the militia's are already being activated (Great..........)

THIS, will turn into a serious cluster ****.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by wazu

If the virus ceased to exist today, and all victims were miraculously healed, things would still get incredibly ugly. Too much damage already done. At every level our society should be desperately seeking ways to reopen every possible industry as fast as humanly possible.

It ain't some magic secret. Testing. Smart people were saying this in March. It's testing, testing, testing.

Yeah it's tough deal and we're a big country and that's not going to be easy for sure, but making excuses isn't going to save you. This is the only way out. We have to be full speed ahead creating millions of tests. We should have been doing it in January or February. Instead, we're still bickering about it. And no one has come up with a good alternative other than just saying screw it and throw caution to the wind. All that fury at every level of society that you talk about should have been working toward testing.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by tk13

It ain't some magic secret. Testing. Smart people were saying this in March. It's testing, testing, testing.

Yeah it's tough deal and we're a big country and that's not going to be easy for sure, but making excuses isn't going to save you. This is the only way out. We have to be full speed ahead creating millions of tests. We should have been doing it in January or February. Instead, we're still bickering about it. And no one has come up with a good alternative other than just saying screw it and throw caution to the wind. All that fury at every level of society that you talk about should have been working toward testing.

This.